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Old 04-29-2008, 10:58 AM   #21
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My house in Halifax is worth a little more than half that median and I pay more property taxes while not having city water or sewer.

Get over it calgarians.
Thats what i'm thinking...

Calgary (2008) Rate 0.0046038
Lethbridge (2007) Rate 0.010698

On my $280,000 Lethbridge house the property tax will be nearly $3000.
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Old 04-29-2008, 11:22 AM   #22
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These are the new HRM rates I believe....

http://www.sandyhines.com/taxes.htm

For Example

$250,000 assessed value the taxes are:

$3,225 (Bedford)
$3,367 (Halifax incl Clayton park)
$2,875 (Hammonds Plains)
$2,875 (Fall River)
$3,225 (Sackville)
$3,225 (Timberlea)
$3,325 (Dartmouth)

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Old 04-29-2008, 12:29 PM   #23
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I read in Metro this morning to expect a even larger increase next year. As long as this money is going to a shortfall in roads, schools, public transportation, policing etc. I am fine with increases. At the same time, our city needs to look at what they are spending and trimming any fat if necessary for more essentials.
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Old 04-29-2008, 12:49 PM   #24
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CED is the city, so try and look surprised that they present this well. Do you think the City of Toronto has big bold graphs that say 'we suck'.

We used to be near the bottom. We've been middle of the pack-ish for a bit. Certainly if mayor Dave gets his Christmas list funded over the next couple years we will be at the bottom.

All of which would be ok if it were needed. My beef is we're taxed according to Council's wants and needs, not Calgarians.
Well the presentation had to be easier when it was factually based.

This post could just as easily have said "I Hate Facts"
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Old 04-29-2008, 12:59 PM   #25
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Well the presentation had to be easier when it was factually based.

This post could just as easily have said "I Hate Facts"
More like I understand facts are part of arguments in big picture discussions.

If alberta says we have no sales tax, does that saying anything about our overall tax burden or the provinces spending habits?
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:40 PM   #26
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If your property taxes were $1200 in 1998 and rose at 5% per year (and i believe it has been less than that) then your 2008 taxes would be $1960, LESS than your income tax growth.


Further though is that the city (arguably) offers more services you actually use than any other level of government, but has the least power to increase revenues AND has had the highest inflation rate in services they do provide.
Yours is a pretty sympathetic view for Mayor Dave -and I get the opposite is also true

The fact is property tax is not tied to income. That's not the city's fault; it is what it is. It's also a fact that the overall take of the feds and province is shrinking as a % of the economy. The overall take of the city(cities, really) is increasing. Maybe this is justified. Certainly if you include infrastructure it is to some extent.

But city tax has not gone from $1200 to $2000. It's gone from $600 to about $1200 or $1400. And what gets funded from this?

Not building new roads or development
Not Health Care
Not Education
Not Water, Sewer or Electricity
Not even that much of leisure or transit or police

We are spending 350k to update content on calgary.ca though. Thats worth it. And another mil or 2 in office space downtown. Because clearly city workers need some of the most expsive real estate in the country under their feet.

I'd argue it's the least important things that in fact we rarely use. And they're being funded in the most expensive ways possible. All while the city runs a surplus and sits on $150 mil in unallocated reserves.

Maybe $40 million from the feds should be used for a new science centre instead of something like affordable housing. Maybe we should spend $10 mil 'imagining' a crime free city instead of $10 mil on police to create it. Maybe we should pay CED a few mil a year to hold conferences and lunch and learns....after all nobody else in the city does those.

Or maybe we should leave $50 a month in Calgarians pockets, especially those who can least afford it, and look at new interpretive centres and feel good seminars when we're not in hyper-growth, hyper expensive times.

If we need - I mean absolutely need - to spend $10 mil so Calgarians can dial 3-1-1 instead of 268-city, so be it. But I think the city should first say, how can I save the $10 mil? and second say, how can I make every old lady and young family pay for this? Unfortunately all they say is the latter. Or rather, how many things can I make them pay for.

No government is less accountable, less open, or less fiscally reponsible. IMO that means they should be the least willing to ever ask for more money.
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Old 04-29-2008, 02:22 PM   #27
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I am OK with the tax increases if it means better roads, schools, hospitals etc. to catch up with a booming city.
Unfortunately, history has shown us that increasing property taxes in Calgary mean none of these things.
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