Clemens/McNamee situation gets ugly(er)

[troutman]

Is there nothing the Daily News can't dig up on Fraudger?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...t_lawsuit.html

It's raining women, and Roger Clemens' confidants are telling him to wise up and get out of the storm.

Clemens' longtime friends are advising him to drop his defamation suit against steroid accuser Brian McNamee and take a new approach to rebuilding his reputation.

The bombshell revelations continued yesterday, when a former stripper told a Detroit radio station she also had an affair with Clemens

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba..._mccready.html

[fredr123]

I guess now is as good a time as any to come clean: I am Roger Clemens illegitimate son.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by fredr123

I guess now is as good a time as any to come clean: I am Roger Clemens illegitimate son.

Then you should come pitch for the SW softball team.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by troutman

Then you should come pitch for the SW softball team.

Because my mom refused to give me a name beginning with a K he disowned me. Alas, I never learned his world class training regimen. Oddly enough, about the only thing I inherited from dear ol' dad was his giant head.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by fredr123

Because my mom refused to give me a name beginning with a K he disowned me. Alas, I never learned his world class training regimen. Oddly enough, about the only thing I inherited from dear ol' dad was his giant head.

Does it "rain women" wherever you go?

[fredr123]

I require a stick to keep them at bay.

[Table 5]

some of these ladies are definitely on the chunky side. i guess Clemens likes his girls to be as beefed up as he is.

If the guy truly was giving a 15 year old a good rodgering, i hope he gets what's coming to him. Pedophiles is pretty unforgivable in our society, and i hope clemens doesn't get any special treatment.

[killer_carlson]

I have yet to see anything that says he is a pedophile.

[algernon]

Clemens is turning into this generations' Ty Cobb. Barry Bonds who? I know that in small towns the older men often date high schoolers, but thats cause those dudes are broke-ass losers. What is Clemens' excuse?

[Flames in 07]

So best I can tell is that Roger is the only one denying these allegations.

It's interesting how Clemens credibility is crumbling for the world to see. Pretty much every other player said yep, sorry I did it, won't happen again, and they get a pass. That's all Roger had to do but now he's put himself in a bad spot.

It's clear he has never had to function in regular society because his behavior makes him look like he fell off the turnip truck yesterday.

[troutman]

Fraudger says sorry:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ends_and_.html

Following a week in which the Daily News reported his affairs with several women, Clemens released a statement Sunday night apologizing for "mistakes in his personal life," while again denying he ever used performance-enhancing drugs.

"I know that many people want to know what I have to say about the recent articles in the media. Even though these articles contain many false accusations and mistakes, I need to say that I have made mistakes in my personal life for which I am sorry," Clemens said in a statement handed to the Houston Chronicle, a favorite outlet for Clemens and his lawyer Rusty Hardin.

"I have apologized to my family and apologize to my fans," Clemens said. "Like everyone, I have flaws. I have sometimes made choices which have not been right."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...-2.html?page=1

"He had chicks stashed in every city - like every athlete, you play golf, you go get drunk and [have sex]," says one source close to Clemens. "In some ways, it's a lonely life."

"He was standing up there at the charity event talking about the importance of family," says one person who attended the event. "Then I see him in the casino with these two girls, rubbing the die on their [breasts]."

Clemens even turned Yankee Stadium into a pickup joint. The pitcher often gave tickets to Yankee games to girls he was wooing.

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

That only confirms that they had a "relationship." It does not confirm the nature of said relationship...

Didn't the original article say that Roger was sowing the seeds of love with her? And then she says "I can't refute anything in the article"?

Sounds like pretty clear confirmation to me.

[Azure]

I know he is in the public spotlight....but some things should be kept private.

Let him and his family deal with it....WITHOUT the frickin' media telling the whole world what very well could be a bunch of lies.

Sure he 'may' have had a relationship with numerous women, but really, is it any of our business?

And yes, he is a ######.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Azure

I know he is in the public spotlight....but some things should be kept private.

Let him and his family deal with it....WITHOUT the frickin' media telling the whole world what very well could be a bunch of lies.

Sure he 'may' have had a relationship with numerous women, but really, is it any of our business?

And yes, he is a ######.

Sorry, Roger made it an issue when he sued McNamee for defamation. [see first link in thread]

"It's just another example of Roger's pervasive prevarications which will be at the core of any defamation case," said McNamee's attorney, Richard Emery, in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Clemens filed a defamation suit against McNamee on Jan. 6. Clemens is under investigation for perjury relating to his testimony before Congress earlier this year involving the use of performance-enhancing drugs.

"The issue in Roger's suit against McNamee is Roger's reputation and how it has been damaged," Emery said, according to the Daily News. "If it's proved that he's a philanderer, his reputation is already damaged. When you sue for defamation, you put your whole reputation in the community at issue. Anything is fair game, including his claim of sanctimonious purity. We would cross-examine him and other witnesses who might impact on his alleged behavior. We would probably subpoena her and witnesses who knew [of the relationship]. He's a 'family man' -- he implies that. It's about what his damages are. All is fair game."

Clemens told Congress on Feb. 13 that his family has been vital to him during his career.

"Anyone who has spent time around me knows that my family is and has always been my top priority," it said in a portion of the opening statement he delivered.

[Bobblehead]

Yeah, Roger wrote cheques his reputation can't cash.

At least Bonds has been smart enough to recognize he shouldn't sue the Game of Shadows authors. "People who live in glass houses......."

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by troutman

Sorry, Roger made it an issue when he sued McNamee for defamation. [see first link in thread]

"It's just another example of Roger's pervasive prevarications which will be at the core of any defamation case," said McNamee's attorney, Richard Emery, in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Clemens filed a defamation suit against McNamee on Jan. 6. Clemens is under investigation for perjury relating to his testimony before Congress earlier this year involving the use of performance-enhancing drugs.

"The issue in Roger's suit against McNamee is Roger's reputation and how it has been damaged," Emery said, according to the Daily News. "If it's proved that he's a philanderer, his reputation is already damaged. When you sue for defamation, you put your whole reputation in the community at issue. Anything is fair game, including his claim of sanctimonious purity. We would cross-examine him and other witnesses who might impact on his alleged behavior. We would probably subpoena her and witnesses who knew [of the relationship]. He's a 'family man' -- he implies that. It's about what his damages are. All is fair game."

Clemens told Congress on Feb. 13 that his family has been vital to him during his career.

"Anyone who has spent time around me knows that my family is and has always been my top priority," it said in a portion of the opening statement he delivered.

I don't see how his personal life has anything to do with his status as one of the greatest players of all time. That's the reputation he's protecting.
I've read in numerous articles with opinions by legal experts that a judge probably won't even let this stuff come out because it has no bearing on the actual case. But, I know you are a lawyer so you probably know more about this than I do.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I don't see how his personal life has anything to do with his status as one of the greatest players of all time. That's the reputation he's protecting.

I don't know if it technically has anything to do with his reputation as a baseball player, but the issue was originally his steroid use which he denies. Now it comes out that the guy is pretty much a pathological liar and a world class scumbag. It's pretty hard to take anything he says at face value, especially the 'roid denial.

And Azure, it is our business. It was his decision to make it our business when he took his job more than 20 years ago. If the media didn't make stars out of these guys then they wouldn't make a fraction of the money they do make. It's a trade-off they are all more than happy to take.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Azure

I know he is in the public spotlight....but some things should be kept private.

Let him and his family deal with it....WITHOUT the frickin' media telling the whole world what very well could be a bunch of lies.

Sure he 'may' have had a relationship with numerous women, but really, is it any of our business?

And yes, he is a ######.

He was the one who asked for the public hearing in order for him to clear his name. It was at that trial that the start of the information first came out.

I don't feel too bad to see this guy try to use his name to influence politicians to be on his side so he could try and clear his name in a farce of a hearing.

[troutman]

Clemens sinks to new depths:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...trial_vs_.html

Only a Texas jury can fully appreciate the pain Roger Clemens is suffering at the hands of Brian McNamee, according to an amended complaint filed Tuesday in Houston federal court by the Rocket's attorney.

Lawyer Rusty Hardin added a charge of intentionally inflicting emotional distress to the defamation lawsuit against McNamee and claimed in court papers that the trial by jury must go forward in a Texas court.

"McNamee's false allegation that Clemens had used steroids has also caused Clemens to suffer severe mental anguish, shame, public humiliation, embarrassment and lost endorsement and business opportunities," Hardin wrote in papers filed with the court last night.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I don't see how his personal life has anything to do with his status as one of the greatest players of all time. That's the reputation he's protecting.
I've read in numerous articles with opinions by legal experts that a judge probably won't even let this stuff come out because it has no bearing on the actual case. But, I know you are a lawyer so you probably know more about this than I do.

It doesn't. I don't think you understand the issue here. There is impending litigation and the two sides are sabre rattling by showing that the other side is not credible in any way.

And it doesn't matter what a judge says ... it's like someone saying to whomever presides over the future litigation: Don't think of purple elephants. It's impossible, once something is said you can't forget it.

Regardless of the litigation, I think that Roger has shown the world what kind of person he is ... and yes one of the greatest players ever but I think we all know how he got that way now.