Whats causes drunk driving???

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Bent Wookie+Dec 13 2004, 02:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bent Wookie @ Dec 13 2004, 02:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

wheres your smiley, I might just have to take you seriously

Ya know, i dont take offense to too many things on a board... however implying that I am racist is quite is not only VERY insulting by slanderous.

I was simply stating how hypocritcal you are posting things about crime/police when you yourself have a convicted felon representing your posts.

It is quite obvious that your ignorance about drunk driving and the Ferguson incident have clouded any rational thought on the either subjects.

And you can play the symantics game by stating, 'where did i say that i hate cops', but it quite clear from your posts that you do. You 'told your stories of police brutality' so you say. I'm sure your sources are VERY credible. Did you do any investigation of your own or just take a story told to you by a buddy at face value?

You sir really have no clue... what experience do you actually have in the police/ enforcement/ judicial processes that makes you think you can spout of about anything related? [/b][/quote]
All of the stories I stated I witnessed personally and I have even been attacked by a cop, Nowhere in all of this thread did I even mention drunk driving, And because I have a music aritst who happens to have a criminal record (like thousands of other ones including Ray Charles and others) That I'm a hypocrite?

I'm confused at what your trying to get at?

Originally posted by Looger+Dec 13 2004, 02:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ Dec 13 2004, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bent Wookie@Dec 12 2004, 09:36 PM
What a ridiculous story... im sure thats EXACTLY how it happened... maybe you shudda prefaced it with 'based on a true story' 'cause we all know what that means (some of the names and events have been changed to protect the innocent or to make the story that much better).#

take it for what it's worth - not much, a message posted on a hockey board of all things.

but i bore personal witness to this incident, as well as other incidents involving calgary cops.

i don't totally blame the cops - they have serious manpower deficiencies and have to cope with a rising tide of asian gangs and our friendly local bikers (or more problematic - their sycophants...).

what should really happen is more cops on the streets, which would reduce incidences of cops starting situations off on the wrong foot. less cops = more problems from cops.

and don't think i believe this is unique among canadian cities, quite honestly vancouver cops can be a lot worse. there was one locally infamous incident involving a stolen and found vehicle that involves a guy i know. his suv was found by the police and returned, but there was a paperwork snafu somewhere and the vehicle was still on the 'stolen' list. a day later the vehicle was boxed in and its four inhabitants beaten with clubs.

there are incidents like this everywhere, but here is a message from the wary:

these incidents are causing intellectual shifts among witnesses and victims into the nether regions of society. all criminals are not born criminals. all criminals are not raised criminals.

some people are very straight and realize that that cannot save them from cops that cross the line.

the 'law and order' mentality that sounds like being tougher on crime is not always beneficial with all things considered. i have seen all kinds of rules broken by the police, from walking into/through houses uninvited to high speed chases initiated by unmarked police cruisers that don't flash their lights.

catherine silverberg left an ugly legacy as part of her time here. the high she left on, the peaceful streets free of protest, were the rosy picture we see of a big-balled proactive theme that permeates the whole department.

problem 1) there aren't enough cops.

problem 2) having cops that need to be more aggressive will result in more people not into the straight and narrow lifestyle.

if that is fine with everyone then i guess it's not a problem. [/b][/quote]
Hey logger.... thanks for being insightful, intellectual and offering some constructive comments.

I dont debate that police have and will push the limits... hell, they make case law everyday for their actions- right or wrong.

Just curious tho when you state police have entered a house uninvited, do you or the engaging in a pursuit in an unmarked w/o lights on, do you know the cirmcumstances? I wud like to hear them and perhaps shed soem light on such situations.

Thanks

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Dec 13 2004, 02:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Dec 13 2004, 02:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Ya know, i dont take offense to too many things on a board... however implying that I am racist is quite is not only VERY insulting by slanderous.

I was simply stating how hypocritcal you are posting things about crime/police when you yourself have a convicted felon representing your posts.

It is quite obvious that your ignorance about drunk driving and the Ferguson incident have clouded any rational thought on the either subjects.

And you can play the symantics game by stating, 'where did i say that i hate cops', but it quite clear from your posts that you do. You 'told your stories of police brutality' so you say. I'm sure your sources are VERY credible. Did you do any investigation of your own or just take a story told to you by a buddy at face value?

You sir really have no clue... what experience do you actually have in the police/ enforcement/ judicial processes that makes you think you can spout of about anything related?

All of the stories I stated I witnessed personally and I have even been attacked by a cop, Nowhere in all of this thread did I even mention drunk driving, And because I have a music aritst who happens to have a criminal record (like thousands of other ones including Ray Charles and others) That I'm a hypocrite?

I'm confused at what your trying to get at? [/b][/quote]
I know you're confused.

Tupac and Ray Charles in the same boat? Do some research.

Please tell your story of how you were beaten. I'm sure you were just standing there mind your own business when 'THWACK'.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Bent Wookie+Dec 13 2004, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bent Wookie @ Dec 13 2004, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

All of the stories I stated I witnessed personally and I have even been attacked by a cop, Nowhere in all of this thread did I even mention drunk driving, And because I have a music aritst who happens to have a criminal record (like thousands of other ones including Ray Charles and others) That I'm a hypocrite?

I'm confused at what your trying to get at?

I know you're confused.

Tupac and Ray Charles in the same boat? Do some research.

Please tell your story of how you were beaten. I'm sure you were just standing there mind your own business when 'THWACK'. [/b][/quote]
You have no business in to any of my personal issues, what I decide to share is up to me not for you to prod around in.

You stated Tupac had been convicted so has Ray Charles of Drug Possesion.

You have yet to let your point be known as to why you keep replying to my posts.

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Dec 13 2004, 02:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Dec 13 2004, 02:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I know you're confused.

Tupac and Ray Charles in the same boat? Do some research.

Please tell your story of how you were beaten. I'm sure you were just standing there mind your own business when 'THWACK'.

You have no business in to any of my personal issues, what I decide to share is up to me not for you to prod around in.

You stated Tupac had been convicted so has Ray Charles of Drug Possesion.

You have yet to let your point be known as to why you keep replying to my posts. [/b][/quote]
Oh yeah, he was also convicted of sexual assault... but I guess you forgot to mention that.

Oh yeah, he was involved in a fight where a young child was shot and killed... if I remember correctly, he settled with them outside of court and charges were later dropped... you forgot to mention that too.

And there aint nuthin like songs about killin cops... man, nuthin like songs about killin anyone eh homer? Such a hero he is.

And I'm spent

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Bent Wookie+Dec 13 2004, 02:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bent Wookie @ Dec 13 2004, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You have no business in to any of my personal issues, what I decide to share is up to me not for you to prod around in.

You stated Tupac had been convicted so has Ray Charles of Drug Possesion.

You have yet to let your point be known as to why you keep replying to my posts.

Oh yeah, he was also convicted of sexual assault... but I guess you forgot to mention that.

Oh yeah, he was involved in a fight where a young child was shot and killed... if I remember correctly, he settled with them outside of court and charges were later dropped... you forgot to mention that too.

And there aint nuthin like songs about killin cops... man, nuthin like songs about killin anyone eh homer? Such a hero he is.

And I'm spent [/b][/quote]
You still have yet to tell me what your problem withe me is.


The sexual assault charges were bogus IMO, similar to the Kobe ones just a woman trying to get alot of money.


And the "charges" against him where the little girl died where not him, he was present but the actual charges where against the local liquor lady who's bullet bounced off a car and hit the girl.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Bent Wookie@Dec 13 2004, 02:19 AM
Just curious tho when you state police have entered a house uninvited, do you or the engaging in a pursuit in an unmarked w/o lights on, do you know the cirmcumstances? I wud like to hear them and perhaps shed soem light on such situations.

Thanks

the house incident happened over 5 years ago, and to be fair it was at 8 in the morning and involved a keg of beer and a rental hot tub.

the chase incident i will not go into, it has not been cleared to me by those involved but suffice to say the driver of the chased car is sure glad he had a witness with him.

my time in calgary involved some crazy stuff but it is over for me, i might write a book one day aboot that crazy stuff i have seen and heard of.

as to details of situations ask anyone who has partied hard in the fairest city and i bet they all have some bad-apple cop stories.

for myself i used to think the rcmp here in bc were a cut above such things, what with the psychological profiling and the natural consequences of slanted hiring practices - dropping the size requirement for men and targeting female minorities for hiring.

but quite recently a co-worker was driving a company truck that matched a description of a drug mule truck in prince george and while he was getting out of the vehicle for the police to search it, he saw a cop drop a bottle into the back seat of the truck.

this is all heresay of course, but he called the cop on it and was allowed to move on.

as for myself in this province i call Bring Cash, in february i was pulled over for an insurance check and the cop didn't quite understand the concept of alberta insurance. my car was towed and i was handed a no-insurance ticket. icbc sent my court date to a 10-year-old address and i am just now fixing the situation nearly a year later. but one bogus charge, one icbc messup (not out of character), and one court mis-filing later i am fighting to stay on the straight-and-narrow. might have to get a lawyer, i really don't want to but in bc theatrics are quite important. if only i was a visible minority.

these incidents are pretty minor compared to what i have seen in calgary, due largely to the calming-down of my own lifestyle. but i am growing quite tired of it all. i am not the only one i know in my age group and demographic similarity that is quite apathetic of canada and its unique and nagging problems.

perhaps witnessing greater inequalities throughout the world will cure me but for now i am quite put off by what i have seen and experienced. it seems to me that the best idea is to live under/beyond the system, the penalties are not harsh - $600 here in bc as opposed to $2500/2875 ($375 registration) in alberta.

why insure your car if police will impound it anyway?

why pull over if some crooked cop will drop a bottle in? maybe he'll drop a bag in too. the rcmp in bc get moved around a lot and do not know the backroads.

add to all this the rampant problem 5-10 years ago in vancouver of carloads of east indian immigrants finding lone white drivers to smack into and sue. i guess i can't really blame them, they get off the boat and this is how it works. do what your uncle says because he's been in country for ten years. if you're coming from a poor village in india you have no illusions of law and order.

canada has some basic problems that are fed by a system that rewards people based on who their grandparents were. nowhere is this more evident than in bc.
i am not racist but i see a system that is a breeding ground of racism.

there are cancerous issues festering with many straight members of society right now. a lot of people aren't aware of it but it is not a situation that is improving.

i don't know if this will ever come to a head in canada, so much as contribute to many other problems. if the government is taxing you to death, but overlooks marijuana grow-ops under a certain size, why not get into bc's #2 industry? seems the authorities are encouraging it.

in 50 years some forgotten documents might prove elements of the US government participated in kennedy's assassination. around the same time we may get our hands on justice department directives in british columbia outlining steps to allow and foster a marijuana economy.

it astonishes me how many people, in less than a year here, that i have met that are openly criminals. make no bones aboot it. 'hey, how is it going? i steal cars'.

why play straight? who's making the rules? who's enforcing them? why?

i am beginning to ask these questions.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Dec 12 2004, 07:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Dec 12 2004, 07:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flaming Homer@Dec 12 2004, 07:23 PM
yes, just as their was a Johnny Cash by perter12's name, whats your point?

Because I listen to tupac is proof that I must hate cops? Sounds like someones recist.

Peter12 did once kill a man in Reno just to watch him die however. [/b][/quote]
Do you think he's posting from Folsom Prision?

If you don't get that never mind. If you do, you've apparently got pretty good taste in music.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@Dec 13 2004, 09:38 AM
Do you think he's posting from Folsom Prision?

If you don't get that never mind. If you do, you've apparently got pretty good taste in music.

And I said: "My name is 'Sue!' How do you do!
Now your gonna die!!"

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by Reaper+Dec 13 2004, 11:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Reaper @ Dec 13 2004, 11:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bring_Back_Shantz@Dec 13 2004, 09:38 AM
Do you think he's posting from Folsom Prision?

If you don't get that never mind. If you do, you've apparently got pretty good taste in music.

And I said: "My name is 'Sue!' How do you do!
Now your gonna die!!" [/b][/quote]
Hmmmmmm......interesting. I didn't know Johnny Cash sang Folsom Prison Blues (I can only assume he sang it first). Here I thought there may be another Supersuckers fan on here. Don't get me wrong, Johnny Cash is the man (in black no less), but that wasn't what I was refering to, though I suppose, in a roundabout unknowing way, I guess I was.

[moon]

I have partied very hard in Calgary both when living there and now visiting every so often and never once had any trouble with the cops. I also have a number of friends that continue to go out and they have (not to my knowledge anyways) had any trouble with the cops.

I have dealt with the cops in Calgary and will say they have been nothing but nice and professional with me. If anything they let me get away with stuff that they could have really made a pain in my ass if they wanted to.

[peter12]

I changed my avatar to Shane MacGowan to MORE accurately reflect my personality.

Do I need a smiley face?