Boy, 15, nailed to a cross as Filipinos whip and crucify themselves in gory GF

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

Well, you might be able to make the case for psychological or emotional addiction, but I don't really think this is the same as heroin.

Hey, I'm not saying I don't find it weird, but I'm also not saying that I would force them to go see a shrink or make them stop. The separation of Church and State goes both ways.

It's not "the same" has heroin, but if the old "live and let live" idea is valid for this crucifixion nonsense, shouldn't it apply for everything else?

That being said, I don't think heroin should be legal. Neither should this religious nuttery.

You can't/we don't let people do whatever the hell they want as long as they connect it to some religious cause.

[CaptainCrunch]

Not to jump in sideways, and as much as I agree with you on the whole nailing yourself to a cross to show your devotion being nuts. You step into a big pool when you start limiting how people show their devotion in terms of religous freedoms. Our nutty is perfectly acceptable to them, and in their minds, its fairly harmless to society. The argument is that once you limit these peoples devotions (crazy), your limiting their ability to worship the way that they see fit, and again its not something that truly harms the people around them, except in terms of tossing lunches.

Heroin is different because its a drug that does impact society as a whole. Society ends up paying for their rehab, these people don't function and aren't productive in society, and there is a percentage of them that commit crimes in order to pay for their habit.

Someone that nails himself to the cross isn't likely to do any of these things.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It's not "the same" has heroin, but if the old "live and let live" idea is valid for this crucifixion nonsense, shouldn't it apply for everything else?

That being said, I don't think heroin should be legal. Neither should this religious nuttery.

You can't/we don't let people do whatever the hell they want as long as they connect it to some religious cause.

Can't say I agree. Although I think age is an issue here. But how is this different than people who tie each other up and hit each other for sexual purposes? They do some pretty fata'd up stuff too.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It's not "the same" has heroin, but if the old "live and let live" idea is valid for this crucifixion nonsense, shouldn't it apply for everything else?

That being said, I don't think heroin should be legal. Neither should this religious nuttery.

You can't/we don't let people do whatever the hell they want as long as they connect it to some religious cause.

So where should the state intervene? By taking this stance, you basically invalidate Western freedoms.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The argument is that once you limit these peoples devotions (crazy), your limiting their ability to worship the way that they see fit, and again its not something that truly harms the people around them, except in terms of tossing lunches.

Heroin is different because its a drug that does impact society as a whole. Society ends up paying for their rehab, these people don't function and aren't productive in society, and there is a percentage of them that commit crimes in order to pay for their habit.

If this was in Canada we would be paying for their rehab. I can only imagine they'd need some medical attention after a ridiculous stunt like this.

I have nothing against limiting their ability to worship how they want. We don't let S&M folks set up in the town square and whip each other's asses with the cat'o'nine tails and if they said "but it's my religious freedom" we'd all laugh. The law shouldn't see this any differently.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Someone that nails himself to the cross isn't likely to do any of these things.

Someone who nails himself to a cross is likely to do a lot of crazy things.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

So where should the state intervene? By taking this stance, you basically invalidate Western freedoms.

Laws against public displays of torture and violence don't invalidate western freedoms.

They were selling beer for crying out loud.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

Wow. Where are the parents? Surely a minor is a minor, even a world away? No complaints of child abuse I guess...its a sign of devotion!

They're probably doing it with their parents blessing.