Hamas launches TV Bugs Bunny-lookalike who declares 'I will eat the Jews'

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Azure

We do?

Where?

I'd say it's generally true. There is an element of fear used with alot of Arabic characters on alot of TV shows and movies.

[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'd say it's generally true. There is an element of fear used with alot of Arabic characters on alot of TV shows and movies.

You're going to have cite some present day examples to convince me. I'd say you'd have a pretty hard time finding a kids television program that advocates something similar to what the Hamas Bunny advocates.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'd say it's generally true. There is an element of fear used with alot of Arabic characters on alot of TV shows and movies.

Where?
Maybe in satire.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Azure

We do?

Where?

Come on haven't you see the evil Arabs in little Mosque on the prairie?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'd say it's generally true. There is an element of fear used with alot of Arabic characters on alot of TV shows and movies.

Where?

Show me.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by J pold

Come on haven't you see the evil Arabs in little Mosque on the prairie?

You're kidding me, right?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Kool Keef

You're going to have cite some present day examples to convince me. I'd say you'd have a pretty hard time finding a kids television program that advocates something similar to what the Hamas Bunny advocates.

I don't think there is really anything on TV these days that parallels that. Yes the motivation for GI joe was to sell toys.

The stuff released in WWII (including the Popeye cartoon) was, however, pretty full of bigotry and propaganda. I'd be interested to see if there was any proof of government involvement or this was just made because it reflected the attitude at the time.

The stuff in WWII was bad, but I don't think it was quite as bad as explicitly telling children to be suicide bombers.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Azure

You're kidding me, right?

Oh man... try not to take things so literal there, I know I didn't add the but I thought you still might be able to pick up on...

sar·casm (sär'kāz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
3. The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by blankall

The stuff released in WWII (including the Popeye cartoon) was, however, pretty full of bigotry and propaganda. I'd be interested to see if there was any proof of government involvement or this was just made because it reflected the attitude at the time.

Yeah, well the US also imprisoned a few hundred thousand Japanese during that time, so I would hope that as a society we've become a bit more advanced....70 years later.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, well the US also imprisoned a few hundred thousand Japanese during that time, so I would hope that as a society we've become a bit more advanced....70 years later.

I think that's definitely a key point. What was acceptable 70 years, is not really acceptable now.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, well the US also imprisoned a few hundred thousand Japanese during that time, so I would hope that as a society we've become a bit more advanced....70 years later.

It was also an all-out, no holds-barred war against the most horrific totalitarian forces that this world has ever seen. That kind of thing interrupts normal operating procedure in a democracy.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think that there is a subtle difference

The propaganda cartoons driven out of hollywood in WWII for example, and during the cold war and even now, portrayed a larger then life image of the villian or enemy, and they were always faced by the virtuous, but human hero who would kill them without thinking, but was always somewhat horrified at some level over the level of violence that they had to resort to in the face of that threat.

But never in a John Wayne movie, or a Arnold movie, or even a Rambo movie did he turn to the camera wink and say "Hey don't forget to grease the young'uns, cause they're a threat and they make a squeeking noise when they shoot em.

You also didn't see a lot of propaganda from the American government that had a message about killing your enemy. "Loose lips sink ships" was one of the most famous propaganda pieces ever created, yet it was a very non violent message.

"Buy war bonds" didn't have the message, so we can buy more bullets to kill those bug eyed crazy japs attached to the bottom, but the message was, support our troops.

Even now in the Hollywood establishment, when they make movies that feature terrorists of an arabian nature, they're careful to hint at justifications, or they're careful to make the villian over the top. Or even in their most sensitive nature, they make the enemy generic and white , look at the terrible movie "Sum of all fears" They radically changed the story to feature white supremists instead of going with the actual villians, a fatally ill terrorist trying to sabatoge the middle east peace plans.

The T.V. show in question, thats made by Hammas is far more disgusting and far darker then any proganda piece made in the west, or even in the Eastern European nations during the cold war. It creates a monstrous enemy, and then advocates basic genocide.

There's no comparison.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by peter12

Where?

24
Jag
NCIS
Heroes


Even more movies out there that do the same. Some movies include:

The Song of Love
A Cafe in Cairo
The Sheik
The Son of Sheik
Black Sunday
The Desert Bride
Lawrence of Arabia
Sleeper Cell
Kingdom of Heaven
Back to the Future
G.I. Jane
Iron Eagle
Operation Condor
The Siege
True Lies
Executive Decision
Patriot Games
Rules of Engagement

And if I really have to breakout it out - Team America: World Police, which, while popular upon release, is now considered a cult classic in 21st century film.

And, according to Jack Shaheen's 2001 book Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Villifies a People, he credits over 900 films since the turn of the 20th century that villify Arabs.

But there is a changing light on the subject, that I defintiely admit - and it's for the better.

And here's an excellent article for the changing image of Arab (and Muslim) characters.

http://newsinitiative.org/story/2007..._a_much_needed

[driveway]

This is ridiculous and dangerous; it will only harm Lebanese children. Jews are known to be high in saturated fats and cholesterol.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

24
Jag
NCIS
Heroes


Even more movies out there that do the same. Some movies include:

The Song of Love
A Cafe in Cairo
The Sheik
The Son of Sheik
Black Sunday
The Desert Bride
Lawrence of Arabia
Sleeper Cell
Kingdom of Heaven
Back to the Future
G.I. Jane
Iron Eagle
Operation Condor
The Siege
True Lies
Executive Decision
Patriot Games
Rules of Engagement

And if I really have to breakout it out - Team America: World Police, which, while popular upon release, is now considered a cult classic in 21st century film.

And, according to Jack Shaheen's 2001 book Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Villifies a People, he credits over 900 films since the turn of the 20th century that villify Arabs.

But there is a changing light on the subject, that I defintiely admit - and it's for the better.

And here's an excellent article for the changing image of Arab (and Muslim) characters.

http://newsinitiative.org/story/2007..._a_much_needed

A lot of those are pretty weird choices to back up your argument. Most of them could be considered satirical.

How does Kingdom of Heaven portray Muslims poorly?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by peter12

A lot of those are pretty weird choices to back up your argument. Most of them could be considered satirical.

How does Kingdom of Heaven portray Muslims poorly?

Debatable. The qualm was with how Arabs are portrayed in the light of fear, and I provided plenty of examples of Arab stereotypes, and where they have been vilified on the big screen. Satirical or not, that's your opinion versus everyone elses'.

And as for Kingdom of Heaven, I apologize. I have seen the film, but for a brief moment I confused the two sides in the movie. I will omit that.

Still, even if that isn't one, there are almost 900 other films that do villify them.

[CaptainCrunch]

Or Patriot games, Rules of Engagment made the U.S. Marines look pretty bad iirc, GI Jane, they didn't really portray the Muslims as anything, if fact I think they mainly showed soldiers, The Seige portrayed the American's as the Villians who caused their own problems when they screwed over their Arab allies. True Lies, your kidding me, that movie was pretty much a comedy, and only the most ######ed of people would have taken the portrayal of Arab's in that one seriously. Patriot Games, I'm confused about because the only portrayal of Arabs was the two second stint where the Irish Terrorists derided their camp protectors.

Jag didn't really do much on the whole evil Muslim front, but damnit they made sure that they fought for their rights in the court room.

Not one of those movies really villified Muslims as a whole and were fairly careful to portray the extremists as extremists not as representatives of the whole religion.

I guess I don't get how these are in any way similar to the Hammas Bunny Rabbit.

[burn_this_city]

Damn I was hoping to watch an episode.. Those guys will do anything to get a new generation to fight for the resistance..

[Ozy_Flame]

Cap, there's a difference between 'portrayed' and 'villified.'

Any mention of Arabs in a negative light, whether shown prominently or simply as a passing under the breath is still villification. There are so many films and TV shows out there, I'm sure there's more than we think.

[Azure]

24?

You're kidding me, right? Yes, it does portray a few Arabs as terrorists, but there are also white people involved, black people.....etc, etc.

Plus, it goes above and beyond to make sure that the public understands that not all Muslims subscribe to that fanatical way of thinking.