Iran to kill two women

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by Locke

Bludgeoning someone into thinking like you typically results in breeding hatred rather than cooperation.

Interesting choice of words given your signature, Locke.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

Interesting choice of words given your signature, Locke.

Where is the Irony thread when you need it?

[Frequitude]

Has anyone seen The Kite Runner?

One scene depicts a woman's stoning during halftime of a soccer match. Pure brutality. A couple people just throw stones at her. I'm not sure how close this is to reality, but it seemed like it was pretty close.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Has anyone seen The Kite Runner?

One scene depicts a woman's stoning during halftime of a soccer match. Pure brutality. A couple people just throw stones at her. I'm not sure how close this is to reality, but it seemed like it was pretty close.

That is a really inefficient method.

Seriously, it would take days for two people just throwing rocks to kill a person. There has to be a better way.

A tennis ball thrower perhaps?

[CaptainCrunch]

The old traditional stoning was to bury the condemned up to their neck and throw stones at their face.

there also used to be the traditional manner of tying a person to the ground and pulling a wall down on them.

The more modern interpretation is to put the person in a three sided walled off area and throw large rocks at them until their on the ground, then crush their head with a rock or a brick.

It might be barbaric but it beats being woven through the spokes of a wheel like the Brits used to do. Or sewing you into the body of a dead horse and covering your head with honey.

The medival execution style of throwing you into a burlap sack with a chicken in a dog and tossing you into the river was pretty nasty.

Or putting a rat in an upside down bowl over your stomach and lighting the bowl on fire was suppossed to be the most painful way to go.

Stoning is considered to be fairly merciful compared to some of the other techniques.

[DESS]

It's nuts to think we can significantly change anything over there. Be thankful you are in Canada and be prepared to defend our country or our allies' countries if necessary. To take offensive action in the middle east is pointless IMO.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

In the past 200 years that the British and Americans have been interfering in the Middle East, it hasn't made a lick of difference.

Thats because they interfered the wrong way.

You can't 'bomb' these people into the 21st century....

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Azure

Thats because they interfered the wrong way.

You can't 'bomb' these people into the 21st century....

There is no right way to interfere, except in the case that there is a threat to human security combined with the collapse of a state, you should leave well alone.

I hate saying that. It's filled with crazy logical holes, but that appears to be the situation regarding every sort of theory regarding IR in the West.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Or putting a rat in an upside down bowl over your stomach and lighting the bowl on fire was suppossed to be the most painful way to go.

Wait a second....that comes from a movie....

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Wait a second....that comes from a movie....

Actually done in china.

Forgot to mention the old drawn and quartered where your four limbs are tied to four horses and your pulled apart.

Naval hanging, where you were drawn up instead of dropped.

Don't forget Vlad Tempes and his impalement.

All kinds of ways to kill people.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Actually done in china.

Forgot to mention the old drawn and quartered where your four limbs are tied to four horses and your pulled apart.

Naval hanging, where you were drawn up instead of dropped.

Don't forget Vlad Tempes and his impalement.

All kinds of ways to kill people.

But you have to keep revenue streams in mind. If its too quick you wont sell out the next time.

People expect entertainment value for their money.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

So...if it's a law, it's a law therefore it's somewhat understandable? Wow I cannot even begin to express my disagreement.

Second, there was no proof they actauly broke the law (comitted adultery). So in fact, they were senteced against this stupid "law"

To conclude - not only you have a stupid law, but you do not actually require a proof in order to sentence people to death...

Yup, pretty stupid stuff, but we have some pretty silly laws too looked at through a different cultural context. I mean, you canget life in prison for carrying a kilo of opium across a border. You can get 5 years just for being in possession and lighting up certain recreation drugs. Pretty goofy stiff when viewed through the lens of some other cultures. Some may say that the jail time isn't that bad, but wait until you're someone's biatch and you're getting violated every night. Stoning almost seems like a better punishment (in a real twisted way). I don't condone the stuff that goes on over there, but it is their country, their culture, and we have to respect the way they conduct themselves in their own home country.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Democracy should be sweeping through the Middle East any time now...

As far as I'm concerned, Western countries have no business there. I wish we'd just cut ourselves off from countries with insane laws and customs. There's really no use complaining about it if we still choose to support them by doing business with them and having diplomatic relationships.

So, if you hear your neighbor beating his wife every night you say to yourself, meh....none of my business, I don't need to get involved, it's there customs and traditions.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Yup, pretty stupid stuff, but we have some pretty silly laws too looked at through a different cultural context. I mean, you canget life in prison for carrying a kilo of opium across a border. You can get 5 years just for being in possession and lighting up certain recreation drugs. Pretty goofy stiff when viewed through the lens of some other cultures. Some may say that the jail time isn't that bad, but wait until you're someone's biatch and you're getting violated every night. Stoning almost seems like a better punishment (in a real twisted way). I don't condone the stuff that goes on over there, but it is their country, their culture, and we have to respect the way they conduct themselves in their own home country.

To be honest, that relativism at it's worst. If there is anything our Western political science should be good at is being able to discern tyranny from liberty. Viewing cultural differences as being relative is exactly what allowed Adolf Hitler to rise to power.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

So, if you hear your neighbor beating his wife every night you say to yourself, meh....none of my business, I don't need to get involved, it's there customs and traditions.

That's a ridiculously simplistic way of looking at it.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

So, if you hear your neighbor beating his wife every night you say to yourself, meh....none of my business, I don't need to get involved, it's there customs and traditions.

Funny you should bring that up. My neighbour beats his wife. We've called the cops a few times. Last night I heard them going at it again and I was like screw it, if she wants to stay with that nut I'm not going to stop her.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

But you have to keep revenue streams in mind. If its too quick you wont sell out the next time.

People expect entertainment value for their money.

If you go back to the days of the Roman Empire and their games, the most boring part was the executions of criminals which was usually done by one strike of the sword. It certainly paled to the actual gladiator fights, the Lions vs the Christians and the battle recreations where hundreds of slaves died in a brutal painful and bloody battle.

The early executions in England were almost civilized. They usually drove the condemned man to the execution site and citizens handed him drink and bread. Then he was broken on the wheel.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by DESS

Funny you should bring that up. My neighbour beats his wife. We've called the cops a few times. Last night I heard them going at it again and I was like screw it, if she wants to stay with that nut I'm not going to stop her.

Not to derail this thread. But usually woman who are beaten and abused like that want to leave but don't believe that they can, or they believe that their abuser will eventually change their ways. Honestly you should keep calling the cops if this is happening alot, before he kills her.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not to derail this thread. But usually woman who are beaten and abused like that want to leave but don't believe that they can, or they believe that their abuser will eventually change their ways. Honestly you should keep calling the cops if this is happening alot, before he kills her.

I know that's what they think, but I think that's ######ed. I've tried to help 3 or 4 times and that's enough for me.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by peter12

To be honest, that relativism at it's worst. If there is anything our Western political science should be good at is being able to discern tyranny from liberty. Viewing cultural differences as being relative is exactly what allowed Adolf Hitler to rise to power.

Maybe so, but what right do we have to tell them how to run their countries? Do we let them tell us how to do things? Nope. This is a correction in a cultural more that needs to be addressed. That culture can change that only if it wants to. All the outside influences in the world won't do much if they are not embraced by the masses. Until the people refuse to participate in the stonings, or rally to protect those that are to be stoned, nothing will change. We can't make that decision for them, only the citizens of Iran can make that decision.