Single Joint=20 Cigarettes And Huge Lung Cancer Risk: Researchers

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I've never argued that it's illegal because it's bad for you, I just think it should be a matter of personal choice because it only affects the person using it (yadda, yadda, driving under the influence, etc).

That is BS.
so i am going to have to pay more taxes in the future to pay for the increase in lung cancer treatments, thanks to all those pot smokers? Bad enough i have to support all the sick smokers...

How about that fireplace repairman in surrey who is now dead thanks to a gang/drug related shooting?

how about those mounties gunned down thanks to that dude in alberta protecting that massive pot growing operation..

ya it only effects you..

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

That is BS.
so i am going to have to pay more taxes in the future to pay for the increase in lung cancer treatments, thanks to all those pot smokers? Bad enough i have to support all the sick smokers...

So these pot smokers aren't going to be using the current health care system because the pot they smoked was illegal? In fact wouldn't there be less strain on the health care system due to the fact that the government could regulate what was in the weed that was sold legally?

How about that fireplace repairman in surrey who is now dead thanks to a gang/drug related shooting?

how about those mounties gunned down thanks to that dude in alberta protecting that massive pot growing operation..

ya it only effects you..

These wouldn't have happened if pot was legal.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Disagree with those because of the social problems caused by their addictiveness.

Beacuse marijuana doesn't have social probelms like the above list of other drugs? I think the problem is when people think of those drugs and the addics that use them, they think of the people on the street. But let me tell you, there are FAR more people that appear to live normal lives that are addicted to all those substances including marijuana that we would never know because they can keep it a secret.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Beacuse marijuana doesn't have social probelms like the above list of other drugs? I think the problem is when people think of those drugs and the addics that use them, they think of the people on the street. But let me tell you, there are FAR more people that appear to live normal lives that are addicted to all those substances including marijuana that we would never know because they can keep it a secret.

Dude, I've been very close to a lot of those things so I know exactly what you're talking about. That being said, I've never known anyone to rob a liquor store at 2 a.m. to get a weed fix or to pawn their roommates bass so that they could buy a joint.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

That some excellent scientific evidence to back up your position.

Well a couple things here... First off, why are they worried about an 'epidemic' of lung cancer... Do we really smoke that much more pot than they did in the 60s? Why aren't all those people dying of lung cancer?

Second, as I said, there are other ways of smoking pot. It doesn't have to be in a joint.

Third, it's going to depend on the grower. Most carcinogens are actually from the chemicals used to treat the plants, no? So what's the difference between naturally grown pot and pot grown in a hydroponics operation? Did they even consider that?

Fourth, there are other health benefits to pot. Cigarettes really have none. I've never heard of a doctor prescribing a pack of cigarettes a day to a person, but they certainly prescribe pot to them. I'm concerned that pot as a medicinal substance will be banned due to these findings.

So what does this mean? Get a vapourizer people!

[Devils'Advocate]

So obviously, brownies are better.

BTW - I have yet to hear one good argument why alcohol should be legal, but pot not. I can see someone argue for both to be illegal (substance abuse can cause damage not only to the user, but to those hit by the car of the user). I can see someone argue for both to be legal (use is to pervasive to really outlaw completely). However, I can't see a valid argument for one but not the other.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So these pot smokers aren't going to be using the current health care system because the pot they smoked was illegal? In fact wouldn't there be less strain on the health care system due to the fact that the government could regulate what was in the weed that was sold legally?



These wouldn't have happened if pot was legal.

I agree but reality is, pot is not legal, so i why bother justifying it?

Also dont kid yourself if you think burning something and inhaling it over a long period of time isnt going to effect your health....unless you have super genes like some people do, it will.

Also the goverment does a great job of regulating cigs...point it is we will all be paying for this epidemic (if true)...that does effect more than just you.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So these pot smokers aren't going to be using the current health care system because the pot they smoked was illegal? In fact wouldn't there be less strain on the health care system due to the fact that the government could regulate what was in the weed that was sold legally?



These wouldn't have happened if pot was legal.

?What?

First they aren't paying taxes into the system like people who buy cigs. Second, most marjiuana could be considered organic as it is pure with no additives liek cigerettes, so how can the government regulate what is in it?

Thirdly, what about all the people that need cancer treatment but can't get it because the system is jammed with cancer patients who decided to smoke pot or tobacoo and were under the impression that it only affected themselves? Try telling them that smoking cigs and pot only affects the user and no one else.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Dude, I've been very close to a lot of those things so I know exactly what you're talking about. That being said, I've never known anyone to rob a liquor store at 2 a.m. to get a weed fix or to pawn their roommates bass so that they could buy a joint.

Since you've never known anyone to do those things they must not happen.

The level of denial and wild attempts at justification among pot smokers never ceases to amaze me. I have seen the life of someone close to me absolutely destroyed by marijuana. Stealing from family and friends, absolutely no motivation to do anything except smoke pot and worst of all complete and total lack of respect for the well being of the people around him. Yes, there are those who function in society while 'enjoying' pot, but there are a ton of people who have been rendered utterly useless by it.

I get really sick of hearing how harmless marijuana is.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well a couple things here... First off, why are they worried about an 'epidemic' of lung cancer... Do we really smoke that much more pot than they did in the 60s? Why aren't all those people dying of lung cancer?

Second, as I said, there are other ways of smoking pot. It doesn't have to be in a joint.

Third, it's going to depend on the grower. Most carcinogens are actually from the chemicals used to treat the plants, no? So what's the difference between naturally grown pot and pot grown in a hydroponics operation? Did they even consider that?

Fourth, there are other health benefits to pot. Cigarettes really have none. I've never heard of a doctor prescribing a pack of cigarettes a day to a person, but they certainly prescribe pot to them. I'm concerned that pot as a medicinal substance will be banned due to these findings.

So what does this mean? Get a vapourizer people!

That isnt true actually, there are benefits but they dont outwiegh the negative effects.

http://media.www.thetriangle.org/med...-1109656.shtml

[chris lindberg]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

So obviously, brownies are better.

special brownies!

[worth]

All drugs should be legalized.

[Locke]

Whats the verdict on bong hits?

Unfortunately this does seem to come across as something of a scare tactic, but at the end of the day, its certainly not good for you.

This is also something that I think people sort of know already.

Cigarettes are bad.
Weed is bad.
Beer is bad.

mmmKay?

Does that mean I'm not going to have a couple beers while watching the game? No. But I dont expect those beers to push me over the top into peak physical condition either.

Inhaling smoke into your lungs in any form that I can think of is not good. People will do it anyways.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well a couple things here... First off, why are they worried about an 'epidemic' of lung cancer... Do we really smoke that much more pot than they did in the 60s? Why aren't all those people dying of lung cancer?

They are:
Female lung cancer rates have increased by more than 50% in the last thirty years due to the increase in smoking rates in women.
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/can...ts/types/lung/

Second, as I said, there are other ways of smoking pot. It doesn't have to be in a joint.

So

Third, it's going to depend on the grower. Most carcinogens are actually from the chemicals used to treat the plants, no? So what's the difference between naturally grown pot and pot grown in a hydroponics operation? Did they even consider that?

No, it is the smoke, I am sure the chemicals do contribute but are minor. You can burn a wooden stick and inhale the fumes and it would be full of carcinogens. Not to mention carbon monoxide is a seriously posinous gas.

Fourth, there are other health benefits to pot. Cigarettes really have none. I've never heard of a doctor prescribing a pack of cigarettes a day to a person, but they certainly prescribe pot to them. I'm concerned that pot as a medicinal substance will be banned due to these findings.

I wouldn't call them health benifits but rather pain relief. Taking morphine to reduce pain would not be considered a health benifit.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

?What?

First they aren't paying taxes into the system like people who buy cigs. Second, most marjiuana could be considered organic as it is pure with no additives liek cigerettes, so how can the government regulate what is in it?

WHAT?! Marijuana is pure? Hahahahahahaa! How can the government regulate what's in it? Uh, by legalizing it and testing the stuff that gets 'manufactured'.

Thirdly, what about all the people that need cancer treatment but can't get it because the system is jammed with cancer patients who decided to smoke pot or tobacoo and were under the impression that it only affected themselves? Try telling them that smoking cigs and pot only affects the user and no one else.

What happened to second? Too many hits from the bong?

Gimme a break. Alcohol affects your liver, you'd better not drink or you might be taking up a much needed bed for someone who doesn't drink and needs a liver replacement. Cows are given hormones that affect some stuff in you so you'd better not eat that either. And let's not forget veggies... they're sprayed with all sorts of stuff. You'd better make sure you're only eating organic and that the cows who produce the dung to fertilize your veggies are not given hormones or you might end up ingesting some of that too...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I agree but reality is, pot is not legal, so i why bother justifying it?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.

Also dont kid yourself if you think burning something and inhaling it over a long period of time isnt going to effect your health....unless you have super genes like some people do, it will.

I think you misunderstood or I wasn't clear enough. My point wasn't that government would regulate it to the point that it was good for you, it was that they would greatly reduce the chances that it could be laced with something more harmful. Many dealers are known for lacing their weed with meth to get their customers hooked on it.

Also the goverment does a great job of regulating cigs...point it is we will all be paying for this epidemic (if true)...that does effect more than just you.

Right and that means pot smokers are getting a free ride right now. If they legalize it, then they can tax it the same way they tax alcohol and tobacco with the hopes of offsetting the cost to the health care system. I think epidemic is an extreme word to be using here, but I think a lot of people fail to realize that it's a problem we're going to face regardless of whether pot is legal or not, but legalization might help to offset some of the problems.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

They are:
Female lung cancer rates have increased by more than 50% in the last thirty years due to the increase in smoking rates in women.
http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/can...ts/types/lung/

Well is that pot smoke or because more women smoke in general? Uh... you're going to need to be more specific.

So

So there are less harmful ways to ingest pot.

No, it is the smoke, I am sure the chemicals do contribute but are minor. You can burn a wooden stick and inhale the fumes and it would be full of carcinogens. Not to mention carbon monoxide is a seriously posinous gas.

You can also burn a boatload of gasoline... which do you think hurts more to breath in?

I wouldn't call them health benifits but rather pain relief. Taking morphine to reduce pain would not be considered a health benifit.

No, they're benefits. Pain relief is only one of them. My sister was told to smoke pot for the other benefits as she was already on a permanent morphine drip.

[Delthefunky]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

How about that fireplace repairman in surrey who is now dead thanks to a gang/drug related shooting?

how about those mounties gunned down thanks to that dude in alberta protecting that massive pot growing operation..

ya it only effects you..

So legalize it and cut out the middle man . . .

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Since you've never known anyone to do those things they must not happen.

The level of denial and wild attempts at justification among pot smokers never ceases to amaze me.

Really? So because I believe in personal choice I must be taking a hit from the bong? Kind of a harsh generalization to accuse someone you've never personally met of being a pot smoker just because of their political beliefs.

I have seen the life of someone close to me absolutely destroyed by marijuana. Stealing from family and friends, absolutely no motivation to do anything except smoke pot and worst of all complete and total lack of respect for the well being of the people around him. Yes, there are those who function in society while 'enjoying' pot, but there are a ton of people who have been rendered utterly useless by it.

I get really sick of hearing how harmless marijuana is.

Sure and I've seen families destroyed by gambling, alcohol and sex but these things aren't illegal. At some point people need to stop blaming the drug and start blaming the person responsible for not having any self-control.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

?What?

First they aren't paying taxes into the system like people who buy cigs. Second, most marjiuana could be considered organic as it is pure with no additives liek cigerettes, so how can the government regulate what is in it?

Thirdly, what about all the people that need cancer treatment but can't get it because the system is jammed with cancer patients who decided to smoke pot or tobacoo and were under the impression that it only affected themselves? Try telling them that smoking cigs and pot only affects the user and no one else.

To take that argument a little further...

Obesity is a big problem in our society. There are a lot more fatties than there are smokers, and they are widening the gap all the time. What about the fatass in front of me at the hospital? Did that Big Mac only affect him?

A significant portion of the population has built a cult that worships caffeine. The daily double-double isn't going to only affect the person who drinks it.