Clintons tears: tender moment or calculated

[driveway]

You're right - not raised Muslim, but:

He did attend a Muslim school in Indonesia (the most populous Muslim state) as a child from 1969-1971 - though it was not a madrassa as has been reported in some circles.

In his books he acknowledges spending two years in Muslim school and two years in Christian school in Indonesia

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Do you know enough about each of the Republican candidates to make that statement or do you just have a prejudice?

I actually spend a hugely disproportionate amount of my time trolling Conservative American websites so I'm really, really familiar with all of the candidates.

[Vulcan]

I think either Obama, Clinton or Edwards would make a good president. Out of those three, I think Clinton is the most qualified and of course wants it badly. So badly that she can't understand how Obama is taking it away from her, thus the tears of frustration. Me, I'm a little leery of Obama mania, having remembered how Trudeaumania turned out.

[Hack&Lube]

I know enough about the major Republican candidates to dislike all of them except for Ron Paul, McCain, and Giuliani (whom I agree with on issues, but horribly dislike as a person, he's an outright a glory-seeker living on the laurels of trumped up 9/11 legends that are more fabrication and propaganda than truth).

Obama is a charismatic leader, he could do a lot to unite America and to improve it's emotional well-being which in turn probably does the most good. He's a pretty smart guy as well. I'd rather have Hillary though, because you know that everynight, she and Bill will be talking or arguing (which is good) and that's like having a 2-term experienced President in the White-House already.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by driveway

You're right - not raised Muslim, but:

He did attend a Muslim school in Indonesia (the most populous Muslim state) as a child from 1969-1971 - though it was not a madrassa as has been reported in some circles.

In his books he acknowledges spending two years in Muslim school and two years in Christian school in Indonesia

I went to Bishop Carroll High School--that doesn't make me a Catholic. In fact, for all it matters (it doesn't to me) Obama is a devout Christian. The whole "madrassa" thing was a manufactured controversy in a pretty bald-faced attempt to discredit him at a time when anything that sounded muslim was a liability.

As for the authenticity of the tears, I don't doubt it--and I don't see how it matters in any case. I personally wouldn't be swayed by it one way or the other, and it doesn't make me doubt Hillary's competence as an executive in the slightest.

What should be a more worrying sign for the Clinton camp is that Obama now scores higher (in N.H. at least) on "electability"--which some argue was the source of her massive lead in the first place.

One point of interest. Only one democrat has lost both Iowa and New Hampshire and then gone on to win the nomination. That democrat's name? Bill Clinton.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I think now is the time the US NEEDS a black leader. And having one with a name like Obama, wherever it's origins, shows the world that the US aren't prejudiced. From a world politics perspective, it would be a fantastic move by Americans. They need a female in there right away too. Women make great leaders, too. I wouldn't even mind Hillary that much. I hate to say it, but it's time for the old white men to get out of US office, whether they're the best candidate or not. The US, and it's very precarious situation on the world stage need to show the world that it's not all about the rich white man. Sorry if that sounds bad, but it's true. Heck, if Canada had a decent prospect they should think about it too. It does have to be the right person though, in either case.

Oh absolutely. The US needs a black, muslim female president raised in Uganda who is also a lesbian, doesn’t eat trans fats, reads weepy, moving speeches, throws away traditional bulbs and only drives a hybrid. Only then will the left be happy....maybe.

[Flames89]

I think Hilary has the brains, balls, and guile to make a strong President. However, she does not have the emotional draw that Obama does - a key device in order to institute change throughout a country.

The Obama frenzy is refreshing and does indeed give hope to America. However, the KEY will be his ability to pick a VERY strong team.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I think now is the time the US NEEDS a black leader. And having one with a name like Obama, wherever it's origins, shows the world that the US aren't prejudiced. From a world politics perspective, it would be a fantastic move by Americans. They need a female in there right away too. Women make great leaders, too. I wouldn't even mind Hillary that much. I hate to say it, but it's time for the old white men to get out of US office, whether they're the best candidate or not. The US, and it's very precarious situation on the world stage need to show the world that it's not all about the rich white man. Sorry if that sounds bad, but it's true. Heck, if Canada had a decent prospect they should think about it too. It does have to be the right person though, in either case.

First and foremost, crying or getting misty eyed during an election, certainly not presidential, and not something that would get me voting for her.

In other words, there's no crying in elections, the president must be a strong and fearless public leader. Not someone who mists up and crys when things go to hell, or she's tired or she falls off of her dog.

I read the above post and I understand the sentiment but I disagree, not with the notion of a woman president or a black president. I just think that its wrong to push it through for the sake of pushing it through.

I'm really oppossed to Hillary Clinton, first of all, from the dynastic preconcepts that its showing. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton. God knows that Jeb Bush has white house aspirations. Second of all, I don't think Clinton is presidential timber. She's tough on her personal life, but she's been fairly wishy washy in her professional life. I like Obama, but I just think his inexperience as we get into the guts and glory days of a presidential election is going to harm him.

I also think that both Hillary and Obama are going to get crushed in the mid south and south, and they are probably going to chase more conservative voters who might have been undecided right back to the republicans.

Picking a leader based around optics is a mistake, putting a black president with the name of Obama or a woman president in place isn't going to placate international terrorism. Its irrelevant to radical islamics and its not going to generate any new good will. New policies in dealing with your friends and destroying your enemies will do that.

[ernie]

from everything I've heard this morning the crying thing is going to lose her more votes than it's going to win her.

Male or female it just wasn't an appropriate time for a candidate to cry. I think the way the Clinton camp wanted it to play was as "See i have emotions just like the rest of you". instead it it played "See I have emotions just like the rest of you and i can't control them".

not a good thing.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I think Hilary has the brains, balls, and guile to make a strong President. However, she does not have the emotional draw that Obama does - a key device in order to institute change throughout a country.

The Obama frenzy is refreshing and does indeed give hope to America. However, the KEY will be his ability to pick a VERY strong team.

That's a good analysis of Hillary, IMO. She has the skills and leadership attributes, but isn't telegenic or charismatic the way Obama is.

[foofighter15]

crying eh? is that really a good move? I say no. If the country is going to elect a female president, they don't want a girly girl.
Americans want to look powerful on the world stage.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by feartheflames

I find the republicans to be very petty and somewhat prejuidical esp against gays- I would never support them fro that reason alone. to not allow someone to serve in the army on the basis of sexual orientation is wrong. Even Huckabee who seems to be a nice guy,does not come across as confident.McCain is riding his experience for the military, he again I dont think recognizes the economic crisis at hand

All those guys just look like Republican John Kerrys. White aristocrats who try to pretend that they are an average American. With the exception of Ron Paul...

If only Obama could somehow pick this guy to run as Vice-President.

[Phaneuf3]

anyone but hillary.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Picking a leader based around optics is a mistake, putting a black president with the name of Obama or a woman president in place isn't going to placate international terrorism. Its irrelevant to radical islamics and its not going to generate any new good will. New policies in dealing with your friends and destroying your enemies will do that.

I agree I believe both candidates Obama and Clinton are flawed. America doesn't need a 'worldly' leader. America doesn't need a President that forsakes it's own countries best interests so that it's people don't get booed or treated poorly by pretentious Europeans while backpacking through Europe. Sometimes the best interests of America goes against the best interests of other countries and the best leader for the United States is one who when these such issues present themselves isn't afraid to do whats right for Americans.

[llama64]

Jimmy Dugan: Are you crying? Are you crying? ARE YOU CRYING? There's no crying! THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!

Hillary is riding the strength of her husbands name. She may just have lost herself a lot of support across the country. At least Obama is a decent candidate.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Obama is surging and she can feel it slipping away. Her greatest downfall is that she is not at all personable like her husband. People don't like her.

I think she's done.

Agreed.

Screw her!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by driveway

Not to mention the immediate cred that would arise from having a leader who was raised Muslim. If you're engaged in conflict with someone would you rather have a leader who understands where they are coming from and what they believe, or a guy who looks into people's eyes so he can see their soul?

He wasn't raised Muslim.

Even his supporters throw around that crap.

Back when all this got started, the opposition tried to use that 'fact' to their advantage. It lasted about a week.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I went to Bishop Carroll High School--that doesn't make me a Catholic. In fact, for all it matters (it doesn't to me) Obama is a devout Christian. The whole "madrassa" thing was a manufactured controversy in a pretty bald-faced attempt to discredit him at a time when anything that sounded muslim was a liability.

Exactly.

I bet all those conservative right wing sites driveway 'trolls' at told him Obama was a Muslim.

As for the authenticity of the tears, I don't doubt it--and I don't see how it matters in any case. I personally wouldn't be swayed by it one way or the other, and it doesn't make me doubt Hillary's competence as an executive in the slightest.

What bothers me is that there are idiots out there would will actually change their vote because she 'cried.'

Her loosing the primary causing her to hopefully disappear forever will be the best thing to happen to the US since sliced cheese.

What should be a more worrying sign for the Clinton camp is that Obama now scores higher (in N.H. at least) on "electability"--which some argue was the source of her massive lead in the first place.

I don't get understand all this primary stuff.

Obama won in Iowa, right? Now if he wins in N.H. what happens then? Is he the Democrat candidate? Or are there other states that are involved as well?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flames89

The Obama frenzy is refreshing and does indeed give hope to America. However, the KEY will be his ability to pick a VERY strong team.

He has already mentioned choosing certain Republicans for cabinet members.

Which would be awesome, just to drive one-sided voters like driveway crazy.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

anyone but hillary.

+1

Obama will make a fine president and one I can live with.