America needs Obama?

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by blankall

He would make references to God speaking to him and telling him what to do. He was one of those born again types.

and this is a problem why??? You do know America was founded by people who were seeking religious freedom and wanted to worship as they please. I myself graduating from a bible college am happy we have a semi-religious leader. However I'm not saying i agree with everything that has transpired, but im under the assumption that Pres. Bush is one of the most powerful men in the free world , im pretty sure he knows things about things going on that would scare the hell out of me and that i dont want to know. So i have to have a lil trust that he is trying to protect me and the rest of America.
I do agree that these candidates will say anything to get elected... I just hope to hell its not hillary that gets elected. As much as i would enjoy free healthcare , being a diabetic, it will not work in the U.S. it barley works here in canada

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

and this is a problem why??? You do know America was founded by people who were seeking religious freedom and wanted to worship as they please.

these same people were smart enough to know that church and state should be seperated.

[nickerjones]

separation of church and state has nothing to do with an individuals idealology or religion.... separation of church and state is an idea saying that church and politics wont interfere with each others dealings...... i find it highly unlikely Pres Bush runs to the head of church and asks him to help with his descisions, he might pray asking to be watched over and help him make the right descsions...... so your saying only atheist should be the president of the United States???

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

and this is a problem why??? You do know America was founded by people who were seeking religious freedom and wanted to worship as they please. I myself graduating from a bible college am happy we have a semi-religious leader. However I'm not saying i agree with everything that has transpired, but im under the assumption that Pres. Bush is one of the most powerful men in the free world , im pretty sure he knows things about things going on that would scare the hell out of me and that i dont want to know. So i have to have a lil trust that he is trying to protect me and the rest of America.
I do agree that these candidates will say anything to get elected... I just hope to hell its not hillary that gets elected. As much as i would enjoy free healthcare , being a diabetic, it will not work in the U.S. it barley works here in canada

From what I've seen and heard from Bush he barely knows where Canada is and the only interest he has is in our resources such as oil. We aren't the rest of America, we're a separate country although our cultures are very close and when it comes to foreign affairs we are on our own. Look at the NorthWest Passage as an example. The Americans won't recognize it as ours and would be glad to move in on it.

As for Bush or any other politicians, I have nothing against them having religious beliefs but when they rely on their conversations with god to guide their policies without having a firm foundation in foreign affairs, I lose faith in their leadership. Iraq is a good example.

[nickerjones]

Iraq was for the oil no doubt about that.... ehhh i ran out of time , im going to eat calgarian vietnamese Sp? food right now ... ill respond late!!!

[driveway]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

s i find it highly unlikely Pres Bush runs to the head of church and asks him to help with his descisions, he might pray asking to be watched over and help him make the right descsions......

Bush allegedly said the following to Mahmoud Abbas, Prime Minister of Palestine: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0630-04.htm

Secretary of Commerce Don Evans has said "Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time." http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...sh-cover_x.htm

While I have issue with any adult subscribing to religion, I am prepared to accept that some people need it, or find it easier to behave themselves if they have it. Seeing someone in a position of extreme power who not only believes that he is "called by God" to that power, but also that God issues him instructions, is frankly terrifying.

While I would personally feel better if an Atheist were elected president I don't think that it should be a requirement.

[nickerjones]

its his personal beliefs ..... no reason for that be a knocking point..... i mean i was married when i was 21 , 4 months later we were both int he same car when it was hit by a drunk driver, both of us were ejected from the car, she died and i lived. I think i lived for a reason and it was Gods doing...... does that mean i shouldnt be elected president.... maybe i view it different because i was raised in the bible belt in oklahoma ( same with bush in texas) but i dont believe its bad to be religious.

but like i said i dont believe in everything he does , i just dont quite agree that you should come at him from a religious stand point.

[Thor]

Ron Paul.

[feartheflames]

Wow- Obama can really speak- probably one of the best speeches I have heard

http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2008...as-speech.html


I actually got chills

[Daradon]

But how much of that is the Speech writer?

Nothing against Obama, but I've heard G.W makes some inspiring speecehs when prepared...

Nothing is real in politics anymore. Your not voting for a person, you're voting for their staff.

[Shakira]

actually I have followed Obama and Clinton for a while now. Obama is very, very intelligent.If you watched to speech di you notice he did not look down once? He looked at the audience.

[feartheflames]

this speech is actually being called one of the greatest by a politician and if you read alot of the comments- it has swayed alot of voters

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news..._deflatin.html

What I found telling was that in all the candidates's speeches, the crowd chanted the candidates' names, however, during Obama's speech, they also chanted "U-S-A!" His speech was an inspiring call to action for people to come together, to work hard to create a better country. After seven years of feeling angry and jaded about the state of our government, Senator Obama's victory made me proud to be an American

.

I was on the fence as to which candidate that I was going to support. The speech the senator gave was a wonderful cry to unity and made me feel that the winds of change are here. I now know which candidate will get my vote!

Posted by: Kimberly Boateng |

if the man used a speech writer he deseves a raise, even people like Anderson Cooper and hardcore Republican Glenn Beck call him inspiring

[Daradon]

Hey, it's a good speech and I hope he wins. I think he believes in what he wants to do and is one of the more honest and hard working politicians to come around in a while.

But that victory speech was practiced, and worked on by many people. To say otherwise is just silly.

Even low level politicians have staff writers that can churn out decent bi-lines or mediocre speeches in their sleep within minutes.

A presidential candidate certainally has a team working for them.

I'm not sure one can fairly compare the speeches of today with the speeches of yesteryear.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

You do know America was founded by people who were seeking religious freedom and wanted to worship as they please.

I guess you mean the Puritans when you make this remark--which is at best historically imprecise, if not downright inaccurate. The puritans were not in the least interested in democracy or nationhood, imagining their polity in the forms of small cities that organized around meeting halls and patriarchal religious leaders. If they'd had their way, the U.S. would look like Afghanistan.

The U.S. was "founded" by the framers of the constitution in the late 18th century. If you do a little digging, you'll find that they were not Puritans, and by and large were not even all that religious. Thomas Jefferson was a deist. Benjamin Franklin, inasmuch as he was religious at all, was a deist--though he commented in his autobiography that "revelation" had no meaning for him, leading some to conclude that he was an atheist--though no such term yet existed as far as I know. John Adams was a deist. The list goes on and on--but the core lesson amounts to one of the dirty little secrets of American history: these guys weren't Christians.

I don't want to single you out--the idea that the U.S. was founded by Christians, according to "Christian values" is a common misconception. But it's nonsense. The U.S. was founded by enlightenment thinkers according to democratic secular values. That's why church and state are separate--or, at least, why they're supposed to be. Sadly the secular republican values of Jefferson and Adams have fallen on hard times in recent years.

/rant and back on topic: I think Obama is very impressive--but I think Clinton's lead nationwide should still be a major concern for his supporters. Iowa is traditionally a bellwether, but it's a small state. Edwards won it in 04, but lost the primary. Clinton is still a big favourite.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Hey, it's a good speech and I hope he wins. I think he believes in what he wants to do and is one of the more honest and hard working politicians to come around in a while.

But that victory speech was practiced, and worked on by many people. To say otherwise is just silly.

Even low level politicians have staff writers that can churn out decent bi-lines or mediocre speeches in their sleep within minutes.

A presidential candidate certainally has a team working for them.

I'm not sure one can fairly compare the speeches of today with the speeches of yesteryear.

If it's all that easy then why don't all politicians churn out inspiring speeches like Obama does?

Charisma and the ability to inspire is one of the most important traits of a leader - its what holds some back in spite of their intelligence and pushes others ahead of the crowd.

Let's not forget this isn't the first time Obama has been credited with an incredible speech. The guy knows how to talk to people and seem genuine and inspiring.

[nickerjones]

Iowa Flames Fan

I know all these facts as i took the same government classes you took, but look again never once did i specify "christians" i used the terms "religious" and "God". Yes i am a christian but i never once said anything about Americans being all christians. I was simply pointing out america would not have been america if people didnt originally come here for religious freedom. I just think its nice we have a somewhat religious leader, simply because of my beliefs. But once again i do not agree with everything G.W. has done

[RougeUnderoos]

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/23304-...-a-moment-away

Apparently it's not Obama they need. It might be Clint Eastwood though.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Iowa Flames Fan

I know all these facts as i took the same government classes you took

I doubt that, unless by government classes you mean graduate history classes... But backgrounds aside, your original statement is just wrong. The U.S. was not founded by "religious" men--unless your definition of "religious" includes secular enlightenment thinkers.

In the beginning, your claim was basically that the evangelical values of GW Bush are somehow consistent with the values of the framers. This is simply false. First, the framers were not all that religious. Second, they specifically marginalized religion in the constitution. This is not a matter of opinion, or interpretation--it's a fact.

And in any case, the values of G.W. Bush are not really consistent with those of the Puritans anyway. They're really more in line with those of their religious oppressors, the English.