I'm politically incorrect...does that make me a bad person?

[redforever]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Well there is no doubt I fully agree with you, and have always lived the way I want to.
I just get so frusterated when I hear these can't say ho ho ho stories, or when I was living in Chicago and I was at the airport the day they took down the Christmas Tree's had to be taken down because it was focused purely on Christianity.
I feel like this country (and the states too sure) is forgetting that we are founded on a system of majority rule and we are now focusing on pleasing the minority so much that the majority is getting alienated.

Money speaks. Want to get ho ho ho back into Santa's vocabulary if that is what the kiddies really want? Just buoycott the malls who have politically correct Santa's. Malls make the majority of their money during the XMas season. If they see the general public thinks their policy is a bunch of hogwash, and if they see no one coming to their Santas, thing will change.

The problem is apathy. People just go along with all this silly stuff like a bunch of lemmings jumping over the cliff.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I kinda agree with that statement. I'm so tired of this P.C. world we live in. We are so worried about pleasing everybody else, and its pissing off the foundation. We all know what happens when you have a bad foundation.
I'm not saying i agree with this everything he says, but I do agree that as a White Male my culture, even if it is Beer, hockey and music, shouldn't have to be shoved aside to make other people happy

Who is worried about pleasing everyone else. You got any names?

Is there anyone out there that has had their life directly altered by the dreaded "political correctness"? I'm a regular honkie Canadian and nothing, nothing, has ever changed for me.

This "foundation" you speak of either doesn't exist or it's a bunch of inconsequential grouches who are pissed because it's no longer acceptable for them to be racists in public.

Anyway, back to the original letter -- "offending immigrants" isn't the reason we don't have a bunch of Christian mumbo jumbo in public schools. The blame for that falls squarely on the locals.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by peter12

I'm not politically correct in the sense that I don't think traditional liberal-democratic values should eroded away simply to make a small, select group of people happy. I'm not talking about hockey or beer or minutae such as that. I mean the discussion of implementing sharia law in Ontario or the extended jurisprudence of the Supreme Court in favour of interest groups.

Other than that, I love the infusion of other cultures into my own.

And in regards to that, many people across Canada put apathy aside and voiced their displeasure about the possibility of this becoming law. I think the government of Ontario has rescinded their views on this topic.

We will continue to live in a democracy only if we exercise our rights and one of those rights is to object to something that you think will negatively impact the country. Too many choose not to exercise their democratic rights. And we democratically elect our representatives. If they are not representing our views, then they should be held accountable by their electorate.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by redforever

Money speaks. Want to get ho ho ho back into Santa's vocabulary if that is what the kiddies really want? Just buoycott the malls who have politically correct Santa's. Malls make the majority of their money during the XMas season. If they see the general public thinks their policy is a bunch of hogwash, and if they see no one coming to their Santas, thing will change.

The problem is apathy. People just go along with all this silly stuff like a bunch of lemmings jumping over the cliff.

I think you're missing the point. Its not just about the Ho Ho Ho thing. Its the fact we are so afraid of offending people (which leads to lawsuits) that we are slowly turning into a world like in "The Giver"

[flylock shox]

What I absolutely HATE about PCness is how it actually operates to separate different groups of people rather than unite them. If some dude comes up to me and says "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hannukah," how does it bring us closer together for me to respond "you know, you really should just say Season's Greetings: it's more inclusive"? Say "Merry Christmas" back. Say "Happy Hannukah" back. It doesn't matter if you aren't Christian or Jewish - someone just expressed a tiding of good will your way. Accept it. There's not enough of that in the world.

And if you're like me, and you don't like giving in to the idea of using PC terminology, here's a tip - don't freaking do it! I'm lucky to have friends from a very broad variety of backgrounds and you know what? Our differences make it a blast for us to hang out together. I bug my German buddies about the efficient way they eat their meals, or how they tend to unconsciously covet anything remotely shaped like Poland. My brown friends (and yes, I use the word "brown," because that's what they use) I bug about having too many cousins. And my Korean friends I bug about not being able to drive in a straight line. They, in turn, bug me about being an Alberta redneck who outshines the sun whenever his shirt comes off.

It's called having fun with each other. Political Correctness destroys that. That's why I hate it. That's why I reject it. If it bothers you, I suggest you reject it too.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I feel like this country (and the states too sure) is forgetting that we are founded on a system of majority rule and we are now focusing on pleasing the minority so much that the majority is getting alienated.

Yes Canada and the US are forgetting where they came from.
Just as an example, if you whiteys lived in China and were offended by Chinese New Year celebrations.. do you think they'd give a cr*p about you?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by redforever

And in regards to that, many people across Canada put apathy aside and voiced their displeasure about the possibility of this becoming law. I think the government of Ontario has rescinded their views on this topic.

We will continue to live in a democracy only if we exercise our rights and one of those rights is to object to something that you think will negatively impact the country. Too many choose not to exercise their democratic rights. And we democratically elect our representatives. If they are not representing our views, then they should be held accountable by their electorate.

Yep, no arguments here.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I think you're missing the point. Its not just about the Ho Ho Ho thing. Its the fact we are so afraid of offending people (which leads to lawsuits) that we are slowly turning into a world like in "The Giver"

No, I completely get it. My children are grown now, but if I had young children and Santa could no longer say ho ho ho, trust me, I would not be doing business at that mall.

Canadians as a whole are quite apathetic. Perhaps I should clarify that and say that it is my opinion that Canadians in general are quite apathetic. And most of us complain that we are just "too busy" to speak up and voice our objections, or we say "my opinion won't matter anyhow". Well all of our opininions do matter. We are all busy but in the end, each and every one of us is the keeper of our democracy.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yes Canada and the US are forgetting where they came from.
Just as an example, if you whiteys lived in China and were offended by Chinese New Year celebrations.. do you think they'd give a cr*p about you?

I don't think china is a great example of a country rich with equality and human rights.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by redforever

We will continue to live in a democracy only if we exercise our rights and one of those rights is to object to something that you think will negatively impact the country. Too many choose not to exercise their democratic rights. And we democratically elect our representatives. If they are not representing our views, then they should be held accountable by their electorate.

To expand on that, one thing I see happening more and more every election time is Canada drifting more and more to a two party system. I have a friend (from Toronto so he's right about everything) that gets on my case for voting for splinter parties. He says its a wasted vote. There is no wasted vote. I am voting for who I feel represents me the best, and if everyone did that, rather then vote for who they think has a shot at winning and is a lesser of the two evils, we would have much better representation

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I don't think china is a great example of a country rich with equality and human rights.

Good point. How about going to France and telling them to shove Bastille Day?

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by redforever

No, I completely get it. My children are grown now, but if I had young children and Santa could no longer say ho ho ho, trust me, I would not be doing business at that mall.

Canadians as a whole are quite apathetic. Perhaps I should clarify that and say that it is my opinion that Canadians in general are quite apathetic. And most of us complain that we are just "too busy" to speak up and voice our objections, or we say "my opinion won't matter anyhow". Well all of our opininions do matter. We are all busy but in the end, each and every one of us is the keeper of our democracy.

I think my last post shows that I agree with you on this, but to add to your first paragraph.

I remember in Elementry (barely over 10 years ago) during December, every morning the whole school would gather in the gym to sing Christmas Carols. Some of my favorite memories as a kid. Could that happen now? Absolutely not. Some over sensitive mother would complain that her child (of another religion) is being brain washed and she would then get another group of moms to support her. Then the morning Caroling would have to come to an end for the 90% of students that it suits just because the 10% wanted it different.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I think my last post shows that I agree with you on this, but to add to your first paragraph.

I remember in Elementry (barely over 10 years ago) during December, every morning the whole school would gather in the gym to sing Christmas Carols. Some of my favorite memories as a kid. Could that happen now? Absolutely not. Some over sensitive mother would complain that her child (of another religion) is being brain washed and she would then get another group of moms to support her. Then the morning Caroling would have to come to an end for the 90% of students that it suits just because the 10% wanted it different.

Once they stopped singing O Canada in schools anything is fair game.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Who is worried about pleasing everyone else. You got any names?

Is there anyone out there that has had their life directly altered by the dreaded "political correctness"? I'm a regular honkie Canadian and nothing, nothing, has ever changed for me.

Apparently, Christmas trees are banned from the UofC first year dorms because they may be offensive to some.
Back when I was in school and working service jobs, I had a co-worker get suspended for saying 'merry christmas' to a customer.

i dunno - just the first two examples that came to mind.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by peter12

Other than that, I love the infusion of other cultures into my own.

### - I was in NYC last month, and it was awesome to see people from every country in the world living, playing, working, etc.

Vive le diffference!

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Once they stopped singing O Canada in schools anything is fair game.

When I went to High School in the States you know what my teacher had me and any other student in the class who didn't want to say the pledge of allegiance in the morning do? We were asked to leave the class.

Edit: asked to leave until it was done.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

When I went to High School in the States you know what my teacher had me and any other student in the class who didn't want to say the pledge of allegiance in the morning do? We were asked to leave the class.

Edit: asked to leave until it was done.

Were you offended? Or did you feel it was fair?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by troutman

### - I was in NYC last month, and it was awesome to see people from every country in the world living, playing, working, etc.

Vive le diffference!

Not to mention that they were living, playing and working together in relative harmony.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Were you offended? Or did you feel it was fair?

Not at all offended.

Why should I be? They are proud of who they are. Why should I try to change that?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Not at all offended.

Why should I be? They are proud of who they are. Why should I try to change that?

Is the classroom the right place for it though?

Heck what's the difference between that and having a little morning prayer at snack time?