Bonds hits 755!

[Dion]

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Josh

Thread title should've read "Bonds hits 755*"

I hate barroids, he's a big reason I don't watch baseball anymore.

the thread should have an astericks when the stat does.

[soulchoice]

Congrats Barry Bonds. I am unlike many posters on here, in that I have always been a fan of Bonds. From his first season with Pittsburgh till even now, I enjoy watching him play.

Still remains one of my most followed ball players in the MLB.

[transplant99]

I have no problem with people being a fan of Bonds the player....he was a great player long before he chose to take the road he did. Bonds the human is a jerk and a liar though IMO.

I have one question for Bonds supporters.

Yes or no, do you think Barry Bonds took performance enhancing drugs?

[Resolute 14]

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[CaramonLS]

Call me when he hits 868.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Call me when he hits 868.

i hear that. Oh hit A LOT of bombs. definitely deserves respect.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have no problem with people being a fan of Bonds the player....he was a great player long before he chose to take the road he did. Bonds the human is a jerk and a liar though IMO.

I have one question for Bonds supporters.

Yes or no, do you think Barry Bonds took performance enhancing drugs?

I'm not a Bonds supporter.....but no question he was on some type of enhancing drug.

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/teams/players/...ame=mlb-giants

The sad thing is that this guy was HOF calibre before he took the drugs. He wouldn't be the all time home run king, but from 1993 to 1998 before he got jealous and started juicing up his all around statistics were fantastic. But he didn't knock out 50 HR's a year like some of the other guys were. After 1998 you can see that he stopped running, and became a home run hitter, and his defensive game went down hill. It's a shame that he gave into the roids because without the enhancements I have no doubts he would have still hit 600 plus home runs and been a first ballot HOF'er. With the roids, I think the writers will conspire to keep him out....especially if he continues to dodge his legal issues.

It's pretty sad that in my time I got to see two of the most hallowed records in baseball all time hits and all time home runs broken. But in both cases the player partook in activities outside of the game that are going to keep him out of the Hall of Fame. Than again given guys like Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth and the way they were....Hank Aaron doesn't really seem to mesh with the rest of that crew in terms of personality.

[Philly06Cup]

Bonds is a liar and a jerk. But I can think of a lot of bigger jerks and liars in professional sports -- Michael Vick, Latrell Spreewell, Ron Artest, and any number of Cincinatti Bengals. If he wasn't breaking Hank Aaron's record, nobody would notice his jerkiness, as it really doesn't compare to others.


I put the blame more on Bud Selig. Ratings were down. Then McGuire vs Sosa happened. It invigorated MLB. Both guys were juicing, surely, and Selig did nothing. Later Bonds would hit 72. Selig still did nothing. Rating were up -- why enforce any type of strict drug policy, when it was drawing numbers? It was only when Bonds came feasibly close to breaking Ruth / Aaron did outside pressures force Selig to do something. And now it's too late, and Aaron's record will be broken.

Yes, Bonds cheated. But so many others did. All because Selig let them.

Boo Selig.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah with 500 today, whats Rodriguez going to need to surpass Bonds? Maybe get to what like 765 if this is his last year so that means Rodriguez will need another 265. Which at 35 dingers a year will take him just over 7 seasons. It's something he has a shot at. Hopefully for the sake of Baseball he does it. ARod doesn't have the best rep in baseball, but I think he's a lot more honest than Bonds is.

Bonds was 36 years old when he reached 500 HR plateau where as A Rod reached the same mark at age 32. If A Rod plays into his 40's like Bonds is doing we could see numbers in the 800's. Of course all this hinges on weather A Rod chooses to play that long.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Call me when he hits 868.

Oooooh. I didn't even think of that.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Dion

Bonds was 36 years old when he reached 500 HR plateau where as A Rod reached the same mark at age 32. If A Rod plays into his 40's like Bonds is doing we could see numbers in the 800's. Of course all this hinges on weather A Rod chooses to play that long.

I think he will, I think the last few years with the Yankees he has developed a chip on his shoulder and he is going to be out to prove he is the greatest player ever, period. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go to another team in the off season, where he can play SS again as well.

I think TO actually would be a great place to sooth his ego, be able to play in a place where people would actually love him, and be able to tell the Yankees to go screw themselves another ~20 times per year. Not to mention, we need that hole at SS plugged, why not move in one of the greatest players of all time? We have a future HOFer on our team now (Thomas), but there is something to be said for a guy who is doing it in his prime. Would Rogers pony up that kind of cash?

I dunno, but it would sure put Toronto back on the baseball map - he is the type of player we'd need to push this team over the top. If Zaun could be considered the worst starter on your club, that is saying something positive.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

his head grows 3 sizes, and most damningly, his foot size went up 3 sizes as well...at the age of 35....then dnies he had any foreign substances assisting him, he is a lying sack of crap that deserves what is coming to him. Both through MLB and in his health woes sure to follow.

i find this interesting because there is no proof of these changes in bonds' anatomy, and from what i know, HGH doping doesn't cause a legnthening of the bones in adults. these claims are likely a myth.

he cheated, no doubt, but the outlandish claims are a bit much.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I think he will, I think the last few years with the Yankees he has developed a chip on his shoulder and he is going to be out to prove he is the greatest player ever, period. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go to another team in the off season, where he can play SS again as well.

I think TO actually would be a great place to sooth his ego, be able to play in a place where people would actually love him, and be able to tell the Yankees to go screw themselves another ~20 times per year. Not to mention, we need that hole at SS plugged, why not move in one of the greatest players of all time? We have a future HOFer on our team now (Thomas), but there is something to be said for a guy who is doing it in his prime. Would Rogers pony up that kind of cash?

I dunno, but it would sure put Toronto back on the baseball map - he is the type of player we'd need to push this team over the top. If Zaun could be considered the worst starter on your club, that is saying something positive.

This is where that Wells extension could be a real kick in the nuts. But the thought has crossed my mind that if you could lure Rodriguez to Toronto with the carrot of becoming the everyday short stop, move Rios to center field and than find another corner outfielder who can hit. Considering how little production the Jays have got out of the money they have committed to Wells, Thomas, Ryan, and Burnett....they probably could pay Rodriguez 30 million and use 10 million to find 3 other guys to fill the holes vacated.

Than again being the Jays they probably do need to focus on keeping the players they do have and making aggressive pitches to get players who are interested in their team. In the end a guy like Rodriguez probably wants to go to a place like Chicago, or L.A. if he doesn't stay with the Yankees after this year.

Back on topic....It's tough to say how many more years Bonds will play. I think he would have to be a DH and at this point in his career the media circus around him is such a distraction it's really affected his teams ability to win. Billy Beane and the Athletics seem to be more interested in wining than signing a side show to try and draw fans. Although they could use the attendance boost.

[ricosuave]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Call me when he hits 868.

absolutely

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Call me when he hits 868.

I don't know, if Tuffy freaking Rhodes can approach the single season mark in Japan, I'm not sure home runs there have the same degree of difficulty here.

However, he did manage to hit 13 bombs in the Majors over 590 ABs.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

I don't know, if Tuffy freaking Rhodes can approach the single season mark in Japan, I'm not sure home runs there have the same degree of difficulty here.

However, he did manage to hit 13 bombs in the Majors over 590 ABs.

meh, that kinda thing can happen, brady anderson had his flash in the pan 50 home run year in '96.

[CrusaderPi]

Brady Anderson was a flash in the pan, whereas Rhodes ranks in the top 20 on the all time homer list in Japan.

Speaking of Brady, his 50 homeruns were an anomoly, but he did average around 18 a year (not including the 50) for 9 years. That itself is a pretty decent MLB career.

[Resolute 14]

Love the front page of the Sun:

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

I don't know, if Tuffy freaking Rhodes can approach the single season mark in Japan, I'm not sure home runs there have the same degree of difficulty here.

However, he did manage to hit 13 bombs in the Majors over 590 ABs.

I think Tuffy is your classic late bloomer: He goes from hitting 16 HRs over 6 seasons to exploding and crushing 30 in a single one in AAA, has some more decent production at the low minors, goes over to Japan and has some success early on (decent, but nothing special) and about 3 years in he starts to dominate.

Reminds me of Steve Finley in that way.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...l-Rhodes.shtml

No, of course the leagues aren't the same - I'd imagine that he would probably have a similar career drop off of Matsuis if he played MLB - his OPS would probably drop by 100-200 pts, but he would still be one of the best hitters in baseball. Matsui is a top notch hitter and was great in the japanese leagues, but Oh's stats are that much better than his.

Still, he would likely end up in the MLB HOF.