Falcons' Vick indicted in dogfighting probe

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, I was wondering about a Nike boycott. I can't say I'm in a rush to support a company who endorses a guy who's being indicted for leading a dog fighting ring by the federal government.

The NFL doesn't have much choice but to let the justice system take the first shot at him before they can take any action. I don't imagine Falcons games will be in empty stadiums because people are boycotting Vick. In fact, quite the opposite I imagine people will show in in droves for the oppurtunity to throw a an ice cream cone at him type of thing.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, I was wondering about a Nike boycott. I can't say I'm in a rush to support a company who endorses a guy who's being indicted for leading a dog fighting ring by the federal government.

The NFL doesn't have much choice but to let the justice system take the first shot at him before they can take any action. I don't imagine Falcons games will be in empty stadiums because people are boycotting Vick. In fact, quite the opposite I imagine people will show in in droves for the oppurtunity to throw a an ice cream cone at him type of thing.

I agree, but can you imagine the distraction this will cause the Falcons. On the Radio this morning they said "Pacman's" lawyer is already complaining that his client is suspended for a crime that is no where near as serious (i.e. Pacman will not go to jail) as Vick's crime but Vick is not suspended. NFL will need to make a statement about Vick at some point.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, I was wondering about a Nike boycott. I can't say I'm in a rush to support a company who endorses a guy who's being indicted for leading a dog fighting ring by the federal government.

The NFL doesn't have much choice but to let the justice system take the first shot at him before they can take any action. I don't imagine Falcons games will be in empty stadiums because people are boycotting Vick. In fact, quite the opposite I imagine people will show in in droves for the oppurtunity to throw a an ice cream cone at him type of thing.

I'm quite certain as this case continues to unfold, Nike will pull their sponsorship, citing a breach of contract (likely there's a clause about upholding ethics and maintaining a positive image for himself, the NFL and Nike)

Incidentally, its too bad there wasn't a mistake in the handling of these poor, doomed dogs, and a group of them managed to maul Vick.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The NFL doesn't have much choice but to let the justice system take the first shot at him before they can take any action. .

I disagree . . . . . . I think the commissioner has wide, discretionary powers to pull the rug on someone on the issue of image alone.

It's a real bad mistake not to pull the plug on this guy right away.

Americans don't really care about murders, drug-dealing, steroids and other minor things like that.

They go nuts if you harm a pet though.

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I disagree . . . . . . I think the commissioner has wide, discretionary powers to pull the rug on someone on the issue of image alone.

It's a real bad mistake not to pull the plug on this guy right away.

Americans don't really care about murders, drug-dealing, steroids and other minor things like that.

They go nuts if you harm a pet though.

Cowperson

I think your right Cow, in fact the Bears recently released Tank Johnson after his arrest on suspicion of DUI (the charges were later dropped).

The commissioner dosen't answer to the justice system. Its likely that the Falcon's will react first though as this is a public relations nightmare of unseen proportions.

Right now the public optics of this are worth then the optics of the Ray Carruth (sic) murder of his wife.

Expect the NFL to react quickly before the start of training camp.

[Sylvanfan]

Well I imagine the NFL would have preferred for the first court date to come a week or two prior to training camp. Whether you want to admit it or not suspending Vick before the court date does have the potential to taint the jury (which may already be done anyways). Should the NFL be privy to any information on the case prior to the general public or do they have to wait for the case to go to trial until they get more information. Goodel's already had a couple of the suspensions he handed out reduced and Pacman's has the possibility of being reduced too. I suspect he doesn't want to get the reputation of a guy who over reacts initially and than eventually softens. Either way the Falcons should be giving reps to Joey Harrington because come the start of the season I'm thinking theres a good possibility that Vick isn't eligible to play.

[pepper24]

Being an owner of a pitbull I am appalled by these allegations.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Being an owner of a pitbull I am appalled by these allegations.

You should be, I've known some people who own pitbulls, and if they're taken care of properly and trained right, I think they're terrific dogs with a decent temperment.


I doubt that they're anymore vicious then a doberman or a ridgepack or a weinerdog.

[Cowperson]

Great, merciless, hard-hitting column on this . . . . well, great because I agree with him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/sport...10260902.shtml

Cowperson

[fredr123]

Speaking of Ron Mexico, Darren Rovell has a bit on his site about new nicknames that are no longer permissible on the back of a customized #7 Falcons jersey.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Great, merciless, hard-hitting column on this . . . . well, great because I agree with him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/sport...10260902.shtml

Cowperson

The freeman article that was attached to that page was ummmn interesting to say the least.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The freeman article that was attached to that page was ummmn interesting to say the least.

Well . . . . . you can't help but laugh when you see the black columnist (who agrees Vick should be punished hard in spite of the paragraph below) say this:

Vick deserves the benefit of the doubt, as would any other American, particularly since you could circle the Earth with the number of wrongly indicted and convicted people (many of them poor and many of them people of color).

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10260900

. . . . . and then the white columnist says this:

According to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 99 percent of the people indicted by the federal government between 2000 and 2005 were convicted.

Did you catch that number? It was 99 percent. Guilty. How can that be? This is how: The U.S. government doesn't indict just anybody, and certainly wouldn't indict Vick or anyone else for headlines.

Cowperson

[Antithesis]

I'm getting more and more surprised by the day that Vick has not been indefinitely suspended by the NFL while this is going on. What Vick has brought to the league is by FAR more embarassing than anything Pacman Jones ever did.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I'm quite certain as this case continues to unfold, Nike will pull their sponsorship, citing a breach of contract (likely there's a clause about upholding ethics and maintaining a positive image for himself, the NFL and Nike)

Incidentally, its too bad there wasn't a mistake in the handling of these poor, doomed dogs, and a group of them managed to maul Vick.

If that were to happen I would hope that his brother Marcus got mauled too. Micheal looks like St. Peter compared to his evil brother.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

If that were to happen I would hope that his brother Marcus got mauled too. Micheal looks like St. Peter compared to his evil brother.

Just wiki'ed him... what a loveable fellow... gunplay, fraud, sexual battery of an underage girl who he paid to have sex with other guys (??) as well as a pile of lesser charges related to driving ... yeah, wouldn't mind if someone took out that whole family.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Just wiki'ed him... what a loveable fellow... gunplay, fraud, sexual battery of an underage girl who he paid to have sex with other guys (??) as well as a pile of lesser charges related to driving ... yeah, wouldn't mind if someone took out that whole family.

And when asked for comment about being kicked out of Virginia Tech his response was: "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby."

What a head case!

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

And when asked for comment about being kicked out of Virginia Tech his response was: "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby."

What a head case!

At least he's an upbeat head case, right?

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I disagree . . . . . . I think the commissioner has wide, discretionary powers to pull the rug on someone on the issue of image alone.

It's a real bad mistake not to pull the plug on this guy right away.

Americans don't really care about murders, drug-dealing, steroids and other minor things like that.

They go nuts if you harm a pet though.

Cowperson

That's a little harsh, and unfair.

Barry Bonds isn't the most popular person in baseball.

I haven't seen any marches to free Rae Curruth. People are sensitve over this dog thing, and maybe to some surprisingly so. I guess to me, if two people want to kill each other in the octagon on some PPV event that is fine, that is their choice.

But these dogs are being bred for this one reason, taught that the only way they get any kind of positive reinforcement is through killing another dog, and if it isn't strong enough it gets hung, or electricuted or slammed to the ground until it's dead.

It's the bottom of the barrel in terms of society

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

That's a little harsh, and unfair.

Barry Bonds isn't the most popular person in baseball.

I haven't seen any marches to free Rae Curruth. People are sensitve over this dog thing, and maybe to some surprisingly so.

It's not harsh or unfair at all. I'm not sure why you would include Bonds in this discussion. No one here has said marches should be held for the convicted either.

Nevertheless, in America, jail time can even be good for your image or ability to market yourself . . . . and that applies to Canada as well. Notoriety sells.

This particular case is well beyond the pale, however, and touches on a topic that few will forgive, a point probably best explained by Bob Ryan, columnist in the Boston Globe this morning:

This is going to be very messy. I'm not saying that people excuse things such as covering up a murder or an innocent bouncer winding up paralyzed, but they are a sad, regrettable byproduct of other people's actions. It amazes me that Ray Lewis has skated away from an incident in which someone was killed as smoothly and deftly as he has. Either people have forgiven him or they don't want to know.

But the idea of being an active participant in the horrific act of dogs tearing each other apart for "sport" and betting purposes will not go down well in a country that has an unquenchable love affair with its household pets, dogs in particular. All dog owners know how gut-wrenching it is when your beloved pet is either killed or must be put down. We are unable to wrap our heads around the idea of dogs attempting to kill each other for someone's amusement, and we cannot remotely relate to anyone who enjoys it.

I really cannot imagine a scenario in which (NFL Commissioner) Goodell will give his approval to someone accused of this loathsome crime representing his league. As justification, he can invoke the "Common Sense" or "Too Hot To Handle" clause inherent in his job description. And I cannot imagine there would be anything in this for Gene Upshaw. The Players Association needs this?

http://www.boston.com/sports/article...ons_sickening/

Cowperson

[habernac]

at least Nike seems to have clued in as Vick's line of footwear has been indefinitely shelved.