Medicine Hat pedophile murders 12 year old girlfriend's family

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Perhaps a bunch of Psychiatrists should register and ply their trade.

For free? Brother, you don't know psychiatry.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Also poor parenting to allow a 13yo to date let alone someone that old.

Actually, many stories have pointed to the fact the parents wanted their daughter to have nothing to do with Steinke as being a possible motive. They certainly were not "allowing" her to be with him.

[J pold]

That is so morbid and disgusting it just make me sick to my stomach having 2 younger sisters it just is haunting…back when my sister was 12 if I found out that she was dating and sexually active with a 27 year old…I don’t know what I would do, that part hits me just as hard as the murders…

[Bobblehead]

One article mentioned she met him at a concert.

What type of a concert does a 12 year old cross paths with a 20+ year old goth?

Mini-Pops sing "The Cure"?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Actually, many stories have pointed to the fact the parents wanted their daughter to have nothing to do with Steinke as being a possible motive. They certainly were not "allowing" her to be with him.

If she was 12 years old and she was able to hang out with this cretin then they were "allowing" her to do it. She's 12 years old. She's in grade 7 ferchrissakes. They aren't forced to just throw up their hands and say "well, she insists on dating this guy so what can we do?".

It ain't illegal to ground a 12 year old or follow her around at all times. The last time I dated a girl who was 12 I was also 12 and I sure didn't like hanging out with her parents. I would imagine it would be a little more uncomfortable for a 23 year old "man" to hang out with those parents than it was for me then.

I don't mean to be too callous and say "bad parenting" is solely to blame but I don't think "good parenting" is part of the deal either.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

If she was 12 years old and she was able to hang out with this cretin then they were "allowing" her to do it. She's 12 years old. She's in grade 7 ferchrissakes. They aren't forced to just throw up their hands and say "well, she insists on dating this guy so what can we do?".

It ain't illegal to ground a 12 year old or follow her around at all times. The last time I dated a girl who was 12 I was also 12 and I sure didn't like hanging out with her parents. I would imagine it would be a little more uncomfortable for a 23 year old "man" to hang out with those parents than it was for me then.

I don't mean to be too callous and say "bad parenting" is solely to blame but I don't think "good parenting" is part of the deal either.

There's an old saying that you can't keep track of your kid every minute of every day. From what I understood, they grounded her, they forbid her from seeing him, but her and his friends considered to facilitate them seeing each other (nice friends btw). The most terrifying decision for any parent is the fear of driving thier child away, and I'm sure that fear motivated them.

We can all say, they should have called the police and had this creep charged as a sex offender, but thier daughter probably would have run away. They could have sent the father to warn the kid off, but again when you force an emotional and probably horny sexually active girl to choose, whats she going to choose.

No parent ever thinks, no matter how bad things are that thier child is going to murder them, thats what makes this whole case so gruesome, that they planned it and executed it, then went off and had sex after the killings is double gruesome.

We don't have enough info to blame the parents, but its tough to condemn them.

A few days ago we saw a similar crime in Chris Benoit killing off his family, and we've spent days debating it, and why something like this can happen. In Benoit's case, it was depression or mental illness, or a long term abuse of multiple drugs. What caused these two to kill her parents.

She's quite the little sociopath so far.

[Fuzzy McGillicuddy]

A few posters have pointed out the parents tried to ground the girl when they found out she was dating a pedophile. They were trying to do what they thought would protect their daughter. But I wonder if the seeds were sown years ago.

Sadly, many parents wake up when it's too late. Granted the consequences are nothing close to being this tragic. But suddenly after ignoring their kids for their most formative years (first seven years of their lives), parents wonder WTF just happened when their teenagers become problem children. Where did we go wrong? You can't just suddenly tune in and try and figure out your what went wrong with your kid when they are hitting confusing adolescent years.

I'm don't know what the hell happened in this case. Nobody does. What I believe is only a generalization. But kids that were nurtured in a stable environment usually don't suddenly snap like this.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't know if I buy your last part, Ted Bundy I think had a normal childhood. Chris Benoit had a normal childhood.

edit according to the parents of the Columbine killers, and the one who just shot up the school in Montreal, they were normal children with a decent upbringing.

[redforever]

Young 12 year old girls are very impressionable. They have not had the advantage of a lot of dating, they are just starting, they don't know what love is all about and many will do things they normally would never think of, all for the "love" of the person they now worship. Their hormones have just started to flow in full force. Too many times you hear of them meeting someone on some internet forum and suddenly they change drastically. Can you remember the young girl, around the same age, maybe even a bit younger, who arranged her own air flight and flew half way across the world to meet up with the man she fell in love with on the internet?

It is too easy to point the fingers at the parents, especially in light of the fact that the parents are both dead and can not defend themselves. By what has come out in the press from family friends and the like, it appears the parents were not at all in favor of her dating this man.

Yes, you are the parent, but until you have actually BEEN the parents of teenagers, don't make blanket statements that you can control where your children are at all times, control who they see at all times, control what they do at all times. It simply is not possible or advisable to try and control your children that way. Yes, you want to parent them and advise them, but you simply cannot control them in some of the fashions that have been suggested in this thread. Yes, you want to keep them out of harms way but it appears that this situation grew in leaps in bounds in quite a short period of time.

Keep in mind also that if you do indeed try to control someone to the point where you know where they are at all times, who they see at all times, etc, then usually in the end, you will lose control in a big hurry and instead of endearing that person to you, in effect, you drive them away.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by redforever

Their hormones have just started to flow in full force.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by rubecube

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by rubecube

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

I agree.
I'm not really sure why that is funny.

I guess Beavis could explain it to us.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I agree.
I'm not really sure why that is funny.

I guess Beavis could explain it to us.

Knew I'd catch flack for it. Whatever, I stand by it.

[Antithesis]

Jury has convicted the girl on all three counts according to CTV news.

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Jury has convicted the girl on all three counts according to CTV news.

6 years in custody, 4 years "supervision" which is basically some lame cop out for parole.

Gotta love the the Canadian Judicial system, particularily this so called reformed Youth Offenders Act. Protesters who throw pies in Premieres faces, they get 30+ days in prison! But if you kill your relatives and a child younger than you, then you're out in 10 years.

What a joke.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

What a joke.

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[FireFly]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

6 years in custody, 4 years "supervision" which is basically some lame cop out for parole.

Gotta love the the Canadian Judicial system, particularily this so called reformed Youth Offenders Act. Protesters who throw pies in Premieres faces, they get 30+ days in prison! But if you kill your relatives and a child younger than you, then you're out in 10 years.

What a joke.

I don't know... she'll be out when she's 19 and will have had a lot of time to think about what life will be like with no one to lean on. I'm thinking that in this situation, with the ultimate goal being her reform and to be a contributing member of society, I'm okay with the sentence. Only time will tell if she actually does reform, but I'd suggest that a 25 year sentence would harm her more than anything... at least at 19 she still has the ability to learn skills and do something with herself when she gets out rather than being a bitter, middle aged woman.

[Kjesse]

Yeah, she's out at age 18, her boyfriend will do, oh say 20 years, maybe 25.

I could see this decision leading to some changes in the law.

If the murders occured 6 months earlier, she'd have been 11, and couldn't have even been charged with a crime.

These crimes are so sickening that no punishment short of never seeing the light of day again is suitable.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

6 years in custody, 4 years "supervision" which is basically some lame cop out for parole.

Gotta love the the Canadian Judicial system, particularily this so called reformed Youth Offenders Act. Protesters who throw pies in Premieres faces, they get 30+ days in prison! But if you kill your relatives and a child younger than you, then you're out in 10 years.

What a joke.

That's the YJA for ya!

It sickens me to think she will be a free person someday.