So the good part about Bush winning...

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Nov 3 2004, 02:14 AM
Rumsfeld is actually a veteran and he was in combat. But! He still doesn't know what he's doing and he seems to ignore career military men and their advice. In other words, he fought 50 years ago and isn't qualified to make the call, but at least he's not a coward like his bosses, or an armchair quarterback like Wolfowitz et al.

Oh yeah, at least he served unlike some of these other self proclaimed military geniuses running the show. But still, compare his military background to the guys he was going against and it is really nothing. I still don't understand why all these collective voices in the military that actually carried some weight behind what they said were ignored.

And these are the guys that are supposed to make America and the world safer! Powell's probably forgotten more about how to run a successful military campaign than either of those two will ever know...

[Hack&Lube]

It's so simple, I don't know why you guys are still debating why Bush won based on all these extraneous factors.

5 Words:
America is a conservative country.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Hack&Lube@Nov 3 2004, 03:17 AM
It's so simple, I don't know why you guys are still debating why Bush won based on all these extraneous factors.

5 Words:
America is a conservative country.

It's a fairly close race. I don't know that you can boil it down to 5 words.

[Morko]

The sad fact is that the people in the US on the whole thinks its more important with tax reliefs and religious conservatism than with social security and basic human rights both at home (The Patriot Act for example) and abroad. You see a United States totally divide between north and south, where the south generally is very conservative. And I totally agree with Hack and Lubes summing up of all this.

It's painful for me to watch from the outside how George Bush can be elected again and to see the stranglehold of the major corporations just get tighter. But I have to respect the voters. But maybe this election and campaign has made people more interested in to find out what is actually going on. I would hope for more awareness and debate about the electoral system for example, the outrageous amounts of money spent on the campaign as well as more awareness of what the politicians and the president actually do when they are on office. As long as apathy doesnt win totally there is still hope. In the long run the people have more power than the president.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Who is saying that Bush won?

CNN still has it up for grabs on their website. Am I missing something?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Anyway, the best news of the day is that Tom Daschle will no longer be free to play partisan politics all day long in the Senate.

[Displaced Flames fan]

OK, I see the impending doom for the Kerry camp now as Bush seems to have quite large leads in all states that are too close to call. I'd advise caution, however, as states like Ohio and New Mexico have a large amount of absentee votes that haven't been counted yet.

But you guys wouldn't want Kerry winning with less popular vote than Bush would you? I mean you've been mocking my country's system as undemocratic (troutman in particular) because of what happened in 2000. Or would it be ok if your guy won that way?

[Flame On]

Urrrggh....
good things about Bush's win (after confirming Ohio's provisional votes).

• Can't remember who said it but there's an expression "the tar sticks in the second term". He's got the senate the house the govenors there's no reason he should be anything less but in complete control. His blunders will now be pinned on him without a person for him to point to and call a Massechusets (SP?) liberal or "soft" and distract issues.
• Only 4 years of him and then gone.
• This is not a good point, but I'm sure in that time there'll be another terror attack and the myth that the right is better for security will probably be exposed.
• Beef should get rolling again and other issues may be relooked at. Although we should go ahead and make our own processing plants and cut the US out of the picture in that regard.
• Watching Bush squirm to get more support in Iraq from other countries who he's critisized or tried to keep on the outside when it suited him. Well that's not good but will be fun.

I'll think of more.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Governors?

That means zero.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

The good part of Bush winning? Hmmmm, let's see if we can find the good thing about that. Here's some good stuff.

1) Job creation will continue to soar... in India and Pakistan.

2) Halliburton stock will be a solid investment for another four years.

3) The english language will have new words created daily thanks to the linguistic gymnastics of the Village Idiot from Crawford, TX.

4) Weapons manufacturing will continue to be a growth inductry.

5) Right Wing Think tanks will be a growth industry for another four years.

6) Duct tape and plastic sheeting will still be considered prestige items.

7) Lying to you boss has just become a very acceptable thing to do.

8) Christian "values" will be a great catch phrase!

9) Casket and body bag manufacturers will be busy world wide.

10) That 9/11 shirt that you bought will be in fashion for another four years!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Flame On@Nov 3 2004, 01:13 PM
[*]Beef should get rolling again and other issues may be relooked at.

WTF??? Why would beef start rolling under Bush? He was the guy who closed the border to the imports on beef and soft woods. Why would his re-election change anything there? If anything, I would think that would tighten the noose around the beef producers' necks in Canada. Texas and Florida are two of the biggest beef producers in the US so I doubt that Bush is going to do anything to impact the record profits being raked in for the producers from these two Bush owned states. Someone want to explain why Bush would open the borders and change his anti-Canada stance? Canada is "aginst us", so they are still on the Bush sh*t list. Don't expect any help from Sphincter Maximumus in the Whitehouse.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Nov 3 2004, 07:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Nov 3 2004, 07:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flame On@Nov 3 2004, 01:13 PM
[*]Beef should get rolling again and other issues may be relooked at.

WTF??? Why would beef start rolling under Bush? He was the guy who closed the border to the imports on beef and soft woods. Why would his re-election change anything there? If anything, I would think that would tighten the noose around the beef producers' necks in Canada. Texas and Florida are two of the biggest beef producers in the US so I doubt that Bush is going to do anything to impact the record profits being raked in for the producers from these two Bush owned states. Someone want to explain why Bush would open the borders and change his anti-Canada stance? Canada is "aginst us", so they are still on the Bush sh*t list. Don't expect any help from Sphincter Maximumus in the Whitehouse. [/b][/quote]
LOL
Lanny I heard someone on CBC last night in regards to the effect on Canada and he was saying that they will now move on the beef issue more quickly. The reason it wasn't dealt with before was that they didn't want to allow it and then one case crops up again or something and becomes an election issue. There are also those that think trade in general is better for canada under bush, but that's just words. The actions say something different so I agree. But I got the sense that beef was something that was being worked on and had some support there.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Lanny, if you hate the place so much, why don't you move?

[nfotiu]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm@Nov 3 2004, 02:29 PM
Lanny, if you hate the place so much, why don't you move?

Is there room for him, me, and the 55,000,000+ Americans who don't like the job Bush is doing either, in Canada?

MTV had a special where they were interviewing a College where Bush was giving the commencement speech. They asked about a dozen graduates who they were voting for, and every single one said Bush because he is a good Christian, or has Jesus on his side, or I'll always vote for a born again. Ironically these are the first people to call the Middle Easterners religious nutjobs.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by nfotiu@Nov 3 2004, 08:54 AM
Is there room for him, me, and the other 55,000,000+ Americans who don't like the job Bush is doing either, in Canada?

I haven't a clue, Lanny is Canadian though.

[nfotiu]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Nov 3 2004, 02:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Nov 3 2004, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nfotiu@Nov 3 2004, 08:54 AM
Is there room for him, me, and the other 55,000,000+ Americans who don't like the job Bush is doing either, in Canada?

I haven't a clue, Lanny is Canadian though. [/b][/quote]
As am I. I phrased that weirdly.

Point is you can hate Bush without hating the country.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by nfotiu@Nov 3 2004, 09:03 AM
Point is you can hate Bush without hating the country.

Oh, I know. It just seems the Bush hatred is ruining Lanny's life.

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by transplant99@Nov 3 2004, 06:20 AM
Im sorry, I just dont understand how anyone in their right might could have voted for this man.

48,819,608 people have voted for him...and counting. More than the entire population of Canada. Are they ALL "not in their right mind"?

Just asking.


Seems to me this is just another example of democracy in action and working how it is supposed to.

I dont like the results...but its clear the majority has spoken. (Much to the chagrin of some posters who hate the concept)

Well I do recall you lashing out at Saskatchewanians for voting in a New Democratic government, basically saying that they were not in their right mind and I think you made a similar remark regarding Canadians voting in the liberals, so......

Pot, Kettle?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Here's my thoughts on the election result.

The American people have spoken. They have once again proven their ignorance of the facts and made yet another uninformed decision that impacts billions of people. Once again the people of the world will look at the United States, scratch their heads and ask, "why"?

This election was a complete fraud IMO. It was never about real issues and was all about personalities. It was never about substance but about style. Bush has no substance at all, but is high on style. He continued to waive his arms wildly about threat this and threat that, and made sure to steer clear of the issues that would bury him. The facts pointed to Bush being the worst President in US history, but that never came into play. The election focused on personalities and fear of another terror attack that may never come. 49 million American people bought into that and let down the whole world with their refusal to acknowledge the reality of the last four years.

49 million people spoke loudly last night. They told the rest of the world that it is okay for the American President to lie to his people and those of the other nations of the world. They said it was okay for America to illegally invade other countries under what ever excuse the administration can dream up. They said it was okay for the President to p*ss off the rest of the world and drive away long time allies in favor of a colloection of banana republics and welfare cases. They said it was okay for the President to have a negative rating in almost every measureable category imaginable. They said it was okay for the President to cut taxes for Big Business and put the screws to the little guy, and that little guy's children and the little guy's childrens' children and the little guy's childrens' childrens' children, etc.. They said it was okay for the President to sell Social Security down the road for an economic quick fix. They said it was okay to create the largest deficit in US history. They said it was okay that the President has encouraged offshoring of jobs and creation of a serious "under-employment" issue. They said it was okay for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. They said it was okay for a President to allow his religious beliefs to have a major guiding influence on his decision making capability and ignore the facts as laid out in front of him. They said that incompetance is okay as long as you can spin a good lie.

The people of the United States let down the whole planet. They let a very questionable quantity back into office and, with the vote, gave him a mandate. This is a very important point that Bush will use to his advantage. Wait for it. Listen for it. I am dead sure that Bush will point to this election victory as a "mandate" for his administration to move forward in new ways that will strengthen America, especially on the War on Terror. This "mandate" will lead to even more risky ventures, against Iran and North Korea, will continue to erode the economy and lead to an even greater debt load that will eventually crush the middle class. This "mandate" has been fortified by the election of more Republicans to the House and Senate and removes almost all roadblocks to Bush doing what ever he wishes. The fox has been given a mandate to watch the chicken coop.

I'm not surprised that Bush won. I predicted that he would win and that Ohio would be the sticking point, ending up in court. We'll see if this is tied up in a court challenge or not, but it looks like it is playing out as it was suggested by many. I will say that I am disappointed. Americans continue to prove over and over that they are the most self-absorbed people on the planet, not caring about other nations' wishes or fears, and focusing only on their wishes. The rest of the world hates Bush and continues to breed more and more anti-American feelings. Things will only get worse under another four years of Bush. I am very disappointed that more Americans did not take a look at the world around them and consider the feelings of other nations. Just when you begin to believe that America has grown and is finally becoming a part of the global consciousness they prove the theory wrong with the finese of an bull in a china shop. If I could pick one word to describe what I am feeling right now it would be "apprehension". I am very apprehensive as to what I think and feel Bush will do to the the world in the next four years. I have no doubts he will screw America up even worse than he has, but I think his plan for the rest of the world will be an unmitigated disaster of proportions imaginable. I'm sad to be a resident of the United States today. I'm even more sad about the future state of the world.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm@Nov 3 2004, 02:29 PM
Lanny, if you hate the place so much, why don't you move?

I don't hate America. I hate American foreign policy. I hate American government. I love the fact that I don't have to shovel snow in the winter. I love the fact that I can play golf 360 days a year. What I don't love is the arrogance and ignorance put on display daily by the country's leaders and swallowed by the citizens. Four a country that claims to be the greatest and best at everything they sure have a lot of things wrong, and refuse to acknowledge that. To me, if you're going to claim to be the best you better be ready to back that up and prove that point daily. America fails to do that. That is what I hate.