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Old 06-02-2007, 10:17 AM   #21
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OT: But I wish we would bring our troops back. I hate seeing them come back in boxes. We should have a defence only foreign policy.

Afghanistan is a complete waste of time and lost cause. Our people should not die for a pipeline right of way.

The Taliban will wait forever, and when we leave they will take over again.
Pipeline right of way, LOL. I guess you've already forgotten a little event that took place about five and a half years ago.
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Old 06-02-2007, 10:47 AM   #22
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OT: But I wish we would bring our troops back. I hate seeing them come back in boxes. We should have a defence only foreign policy.

Afghanistan is a complete waste of time and lost cause. Our people should not die for a pipeline right of way.

The Taliban will wait forever, and when we leave they will take over again.
it's not a lost cause...we have to at least attempt to finish the job now. yes, war is bad, and it's awful having to watch the troops come home in coffins, but it needs to be done.

and really, there haven't been that many casualties...around 55 now isnt it? in what? 3 or 4 years....not too bad in my opinion.

but we need to stand up for what is right. if we don't then who will?
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:08 AM   #23
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it's not a lost cause...we have to at least attempt to finish the job now. yes, war is bad, and it's awful having to watch the troops come home in coffins, but it needs to be done.

and really, there haven't been that many casualties...around 55 now isnt it? in what? 3 or 4 years....not too bad in my opinion.

but we need to stand up for what is right. if we don't then who will?
1 casualty is too much...but if we're going to look at it from a statistical viewpoint, you are right.

I think the biggest problem is that Canada is one of the 'few' countries who actually has troops on the front lines.

Most of Europe has troops there, yes...but they are NOT sharing the burden.

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Old 06-02-2007, 08:20 PM   #24
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I was on BA flight 103 with Prince Harry from Heathrow to Calgary. I assume he was in the first class area and got in and out quickly because I never saw him.
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Old 06-02-2007, 08:34 PM   #25
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1 casualty is too much...but if we're going to look at it from a statistical viewpoint, you are right.

I think the biggest problem is that Canada is one of the 'few' countries who actually has troops on the front lines.

Most of Europe has troops there, yes...but they are NOT sharing the burden.

Thats my biggest beef with the mission.

Someone needs to be there, the Taliban can never be allowed back into power.

but I think Canada is handling a unshare burden in this fight. There are other NATO troops but thier rules of engagement keep them in the relatively safe areas and don't expose them to much in the way of combat, and that has to change.

I've always been a strong proponent of NATO, and its always pissed me off when Canada didn't live up to thier end of the agreement, now it pisses me off that Canada is living up to thier end, and other nations aren't.

55 casualties over 4 years is a light casualty count, and the person who said that 1 is too many is clinging to a over romaticized viewpoint of the realities of the 21st century world.

A defense only military strategy will fail for any country that implements it over time, you give your enemies a chance to re-arm, your give your enemies a chance to find financing and troops, and you invite strikes against yourself. You have to have the capabilities to deploy troops to assist in international efforts, and you have to have the capabilities to protect your nations foreign policy on a global scale.

One of the benefits of Afghanistan is that its put the repairs of our military back in the public limelight, and allowed the governement to properly equipt and fund the men and woman who put on the uniform. But the military is still facing a severe rust out in the next 15 years if funding isn't increased and older equipment isn't replaced. Sadly the years of neglect by our previous governments both Liberal and Conservative in the name of saving money, is actually going to cost us a lot more money then we might have saved.
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Old 06-02-2007, 09:28 PM   #26
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and the person who said that 1 is too many is clinging to a over romaticized viewpoint of the realities of the 21st century world.
That was me.

Its not that I don't accept reality...but everytime I hear about one of our brave men and women being killed, it saddens me.

I think the most important thing we should remember is that these brave people have volunteered to put their lives on the line. So while 1 person dying is 1 to many....I accept that lives will be lost in order to succeed.

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One of the benefits of Afghanistan is that its put the repairs of our military back in the public limelight, and allowed the governement to properly equipt and fund the men and woman who put on the uniform. But the military is still facing a severe rust out in the next 15 years if funding isn't increased and older equipment isn't replaced. Sadly the years of neglect by our previous governments both Liberal and Conservative in the name of saving money, is actually going to cost us a lot more money then we might have saved.
Agreed.

I think part of the surplus should be dedicated to providing the military with the best equipment possible.
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:18 PM   #27
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That was me.

Its not that I don't accept reality...but everytime I hear about one of our brave men and women being killed, it saddens me.

I think the most important thing we should remember is that these brave people have volunteered to put their lives on the line. So while 1 person dying is 1 to many....I accept that lives will be lost in order to succeed.



Agreed.

I think part of the surplus should be dedicated to providing the military with the best equipment possible.
I worked out at Camp Wainwright once, and it seemed all of the equipment for the Canadian army was stuff that others countries deemed not good enough for their forces and so Canada bought it to use for are army. We're the garage salers of the military world.
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