What colour was Jesus?

[Frank the Tank]

Unless you mean the name "Hey-suess", then yes, Jesus did and does exist.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Oct 27 2004, 01:20 PM
Correct. Its all bunk. All of it.

Thats great, I am sure someone was still named Jesus at some point.

[Frank the Tank]

Ha! You beat me to it.

[peter12]

Did you actually believe the Da Vinci Code Frank? Whether you believe in the legitimacy of Christianity or not, the facts are pretty indisputable that a homeless prophet named Jesus roamed Palestine about 2000 odd years.

[octothorp]

Originally posted by Faid1@Oct 27 2004, 11:23 AM
I don't know I assume he would look like a Jew?

No brainer here.

Just to note, Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity. The majority of Jews during Jesus' time were Hebrew, meaning that they came from a certain lineage--supposedly that of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Since Jesus was apparently of that lineage, one would expect him to be essentially Semitic in appearance--similar to the appearance of today's Arabs.

Interesting that the one person from the bible widely depicted as being black was Simon from Cyrene, who helped to carry Jesus' cross. Since Cyrene is in Africa, it's no great leap to assume that he was African, but there were Jews of Semitic blood living in Cyrene as well. We have no way of knowing with any certainty that he was black, but Christian artists have certainly always portrayed him that way. The implications of choosing to make Jesus white while depicting Simon as black were fairly powerful for European (and American) churches.

[FlamesAddiction]

If Jesus did exist, either the Romans or Jews would have it written somewhere in a non-religious sense. They were meticulous record collectors. I don't know enough about it - do such records exist? I suppose it would also be possible that they were lost or destoryed over the past 2,000 years, so an absense of records wouldn't necessarily mean he didn't exist, but they could prove his existence with them.

[peter12]

I read somewhere that there are more literal historical backups to Jesus's existence than to guys like Socrates, Caeser, and Alexander the Great.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by peter12@Oct 27 2004, 07:25 PM
Did you actually believe the Da Vinci Code Frank? Whether you believe in the legitimacy of Christianity or not, the facts are pretty indisputable that a homeless prophet named Jesus roamed Palestine about 2000 odd years.

I haven't finished reading it, but that is exactly what i beleive. I honestly think it is all crap. People who want to find proof find proof. I don't care if anyone else beleives it and is religious and chooses to live their life that way, I choose otherwise, thats all.

[Calgary Flames]

Purple, definetely Purple.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by SuperNilson@Oct 27 2004, 07:31 PM
Purple, definetely Purple.

Every time I see that singing purple dinosaur I thow up my hands and yell: "JESUS!!"

Cowperson

[peter12]

My Webpage

Here's an interesting look at the teachings of Jesus.

EDIT: Not my webpage.

[Cowperson]

A site that discusses the pro and cons of whether or not Jesus existed.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm

Cowperson

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Oct 27 2004, 07:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Oct 27 2004, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SuperNilson@Oct 27 2004, 07:31 PM
Purple, definetely Purple.

Every time I see that singing purple dinosaur I thow up my hands and yell: "JESUS!!"

Cowperson [/b][/quote]
Oh man Cow, that is damn funny!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank+Oct 27 2004, 01:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Frank the Tank @ Oct 27 2004, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-peter12@Oct 27 2004, 07:25 PM
Did you actually believe the Da Vinci Code Frank? Whether you believe in the legitimacy of Christianity or not, the facts are pretty indisputable that a homeless prophet named Jesus roamed Palestine about 2000 odd years.

I haven't finished reading it, but that is exactly what i beleive. I honestly think it is all crap. People who want to find proof find proof. I don't care if anyone else beleives it and is religious and chooses to live their life that way, I choose otherwise, thats all. [/b][/quote]
That's kind of confusing. You believe the Da Vinci Code? Jesus existed in that book.

I agree with Peter12 -- it's pretty indisputable that Jesus the person did exist.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Oct 27 2004, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Oct 27 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I haven't finished reading it, but that is exactly what i beleive. I honestly think it is all crap. People who want to find proof find proof. I don't care if anyone else beleives it and is religious and chooses to live their life that way, I choose otherwise, thats all.

That's kind of confusing. You believe the Da Vinci Code? Jesus existed in that book.

I agree with Peter12 -- it's pretty indisputable that Jesus the person did exist. [/b][/quote]
Sorry, should have been more clear. I haven't finished the book, therefor I have no opinion on what the book says. I simply beleive that he did not exist. I don't think that there is an unbiased opinion on his existence, thats why I find it hard to beleive he even existed.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Oct 27 2004, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Oct 27 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I haven't finished reading it, but that is exactly what i beleive. I honestly think it is all crap. People who want to find proof find proof. I don't care if anyone else beleives it and is religious and chooses to live their life that way, I choose otherwise, thats all.

That's kind of confusing. You believe the Da Vinci Code? Jesus existed in that book.

I agree with Peter12 -- it's pretty indisputable that Jesus the person did exist. [/b][/quote]
The case against the existence of Jesus.

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Cowperson

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Oct 27 2004, 07:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Oct 27 2004, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

That's kind of confusing. You believe the Da Vinci Code? Jesus existed in that book.

I agree with Peter12 -- it's pretty indisputable that Jesus the person did exist.

The case against the existence of Jesus.

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Cowperson [/b][/quote]
Is that true though?

John of Ephasus was a disciple of Jesus and went on to write the 1st Gospel, so he was in fact a contemporary of Jesus even if Jesus was already dead when John made his writings.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/apjohn.htm

[Cowperson]

I'm just arguing for amusement, but the guy I posted above would answer your question with this:

Even if the texts supported the notion that the apostles wrote them, consider that the average life span of humans in the first century came to around 30, and very few people lived to 70. If the apostles births occured at about the same time as the alleged Jesus, and wrote their gospels in their old age, that would put Mark at least 70 years old, and John at over 110.

Cowperson

[FlamesAddiction]

I took a class in Christianity (as an acedemic interest), and we did talk about that. Some people would have placed John's age as that, but because exact years were not know, and the modern calendar was not in use, John could have also been in his 70s. Maybe uncommon for the era, but not unheard of either.

It just goes to show that people on both sides of the argument will take what they want as fact.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Oct 27 2004, 08:17 PM
I took a class in Christianity (as an acedemic interest), and we did talk about that. Some people would have placed John's age as that, but because exact years were not know, and the modern calendar was not in use, John could have also been in his 70s. Maybe uncommon for the era, but not unheard of either.

It just goes to show that people on both sides of the argument will take what they want as fact.

Well then, the dissenter above might also say this about John:

Epistles of John: The epistles of John, the Gospel of John, and Revelation appear so different in style and content that they could hardly have the same author. Some suggest that these writings of John come from the work of a group of scholars in Asia Minor who followed a "John" or they came from the work of church fathers who aimed to further the interests of the Church. Or they could have simply come from people also named John (a very common name). No one knows. Also note that nowhere in the body of the three epistles of "John" does it mention a John. In any case, the epistles of John say nothing about seeing an earthly Jesus. Not only do we not know who wrote these epistles, they can only serve as hearsay accounts.

Cowperson