Quebec Election

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

*ding* *ding* *ding* And *THAT* is the right answer.

Quebecers are pissed off at inept PQ and Liberal governments doing everything they can to ignore the real needs of the province.

I live in Ottawa, so I work with many people from Gatineau and they seemed to be of the same opinion - the ADQ do not represent the world view of most people from the province; they simply were a protest vote against two parties that did nothing but drive the province further into the hole that they have been trying to climb out of for over a century.

That is exactly how Bob Rae came to power in Ontario.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The media often uses statistical formulae on election nights to "predict" the winners. Sometimes you get certain "gung-ho" outlets that like to run with those predictions.

All-in-all... this has to look good for the Conservatives, and maybe put a little fear into Dion.

(yes, I know this was a provincial election)

Maybe I'm missing something about Quebec politics, but why would a "liberal" victory in Quebec scare the "Liberal" party of Canada?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Maybe I'm missing something about Quebec politics, but why would a "liberal" victory in Quebec scare the "Liberal" party of Canada?

Cause the liberals went from 73 seats to 46!
The only winner on the night were the right-wing ADQ which definately scares Dion!

BTW, those who are wondering how Charest made up so much ground at the end of the night.. that's when they counted the advanced voting and he made a killing there.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Cause the liberals went from 73 seats to 46!
The only winner on the night were the right-wing ADQ which definately scares Dion!.

But isn't Charest more conservative than liberal? Charest is rightish, and Mario is definately right. I believe?

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

But isn't Charest more conservative than liberal? Charest is rightish, and Mario is definately right. I believe?

Charest was leader of the federal PC party from '93 to '98 until he left to run the Quebec Liberal Party.

The Liberal Party in Quebec seems to be more a federalist party that runs in opposition to the PQ, as opposed to a traditional Liberal party in the vein of the federal Liberals.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Charest was leader of the federal PC party from '93 to '98 until he left to run the Quebec Liberal Party.

The Liberal Party in Quebec seems to be more a federalist party that runs in opposition to the PQ, as opposed to a traditional Liberal party in the vein of the federal Liberals.

That is correct. Quebec is one of the unique places in the world where the politics were not based on left and right or by issues. It is based one 1 simple question. Whether to be with Canada or not. This election clearly shows that people do not want to seperate and want to finally discuss the issues. What will the PQ become if people no longer are interested in the Unity question. Would it become the NDP?

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That is correct. Quebec is one of the unique places in the world where the politics were not based on left and right or by issues. It is based one 1 simple question. Whether to be with Canada or not. This election clearly shows that people do not want to seperate and want to finally discuss the issues. What will the PQ become if people no longer are interested in the Unity question. Would it become the NDP?

Althought it does play a big part, I think its a little naive to say that all Quebec politics are based entirely on a yes or no question. If that were the case, only two parties would exist in Quebec -- the PQ for separation and the Liberals against.

On each side of the solidarity question you have left and right parties. On the pro-separation side you have the left leaning Quebec Solidaire and the mostly-left PQ and on the anti-seperation side you have the right-leaning ADQ and the less-right-leaning Liberals.

As far as the PQ being like the NDP, I don't think that is the case. Within the PQ party there are both left and right leaning people, so if the solidarity question goes away this party would likely cease to exist as they have very little common ground other than the fact they want to separate.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That is correct. Quebec is one of the unique places in the world where the politics were not based on left and right or by issues. It is based one 1 simple question. Whether to be with Canada or not.

What will the PQ become if people no longer are interested in the Unity question. Would it become the NDP?

Point #1 I disagree - look at issues surrounding immigration, for example.

I don't think the PQ would be the NDP. Are they not actually socially conservativ i think?

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

Althought it does play a big part, I think its a little naive to say that all Quebec politics are based entirely on a yes or no question. If that were the case, only two parties would exist in Quebec -- the PQ for separation and the Liberals against.

On each side of the solidarity question you have left and right parties. On the pro-separation side you have the left leaning Quebec Solidaire and the mostly-left PQ and on the anti-seperation side you have the right-leaning ADQ and the less-right-leaning Liberals.

As far as the PQ being like the NDP, I don't think that is the case. Within the PQ party there are both left and right leaning people, so if the solidarity question goes away this party would likely cease to exist as they have very little common ground other than the fact they want to separate.

Ahh BlackEleven you did a much better job than me.

that's interesting re: the PQ...I've always had them pegged a bit more centre-right. Learn something every day. Although by the sounds of it, it seems that they are kind of a mix and mash of every political stripe in a sense.