Here we go again in Vancouver

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

That would be south. 12th is south of broadway. If you're heading from UBC, you would get off around Cambie, hang a right(south) and go up to 12th and you can't miss it.

Oops, corrected

[Monkey_Fracas]

So the speed skating oval is your main concern? I live literally a block away from where the speed skating oval is being built.(Richmond)

The oval will be able to be turned into basketball courts, ice hockey rinks and even indoor tennis courts. It makes total sense to put the oval where it's going in terms of a long term multipurpose rink that can service Richmond as well as Vancouver (which is just 5-10 minutes away)

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

I'm afraid there is no 'mountain' east of the Rockies high enough to meet IOC standards.

There are lots of them... on Baffin Island!

[Monkey_Fracas]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

I still don't fully understand there point though. How would have not getting the Olympics improved their lives? I understand that a lot of money is going into it, but had South Korea won the bid, would have that money been used to build affordable in the Downtown Eastside or anywhere else for that matter, I don't think so.

The thing is, if they built affordable housing, the only thing that would bring is even more low income persons, drug addicts and the like. Affordable housing needs to be available everywhere to avoid that and I just don't how that is possible. I'm afraid that's a cycle to which there is no end.

That's what confuses/frusterates me as well. I know its cliche, but my parents came here with no English and barely any money. They buster their ass through nothing but hard labor and now I'm priveleged enough to live comfortably. It happens all the time, I know dozens of immigrants who have done the same. They all tell me that they would kill to have arrived in Vancouver during this time with all the jobs available. Don't like the cost of housing? Perhaps look into somewhere where it's more affordable. You're simply not going to solve anything by lowering the standards so the addicts/slackers can have a place to comfortably slack and be junkies.

I disagree that it'll take a miracle for them to be out of downtown. It'll just take time. They'll keep getting pushed out of downtown eventually. The land value on the buildings held by the slumlords is just too damn lucrative to not sell for development. Look at the south area by the Granville st. bridge (near the Penthouse). That was an absolute hell hole full of hookers and junkies, and has now cleaned up alot thanks to all the new highrises. Ditto for Yaletown.

I would sooner understand someone from say Prince George or Kelowna, or somewhere like that protesting because they're footing a bill that does nothing to benefit them.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

I'm afraid there is no 'mountain' east of the Rockies high enough to meet IOC standards. There needs to be at least 1000ft elevation from top to base for an Olympic ski event. That's the biggest issue against any city in Eastern Canada or USA from hosting winter games ever again.

Standards have changed greatly since Lake Placid.

Fair enough, maybe having Quebec be the other Canadain city to bid to the COC was just another way the Liberal goverment was going to appease Quebec....but the skiing out there isnt as bad a you think
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[Mr.Coffee]

1. This is embarassing for our country, even if it is on a relatively minor level.

2. Do the Olympics not provide jobs for people? Or is that not what's at issue here? I guess I don't understand how this is a bad thing. The Olympics if done correctly should inject money into the province and therefore will benefit its people.

3. Move your ass to Saskatchewan or some other affordable province if you don't like it so much.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

1. This is embarassing for our country, even if it is on a relatively minor level.

2. Do the Olympics not provide jobs for people? Or is that not what's at issue here? I guess I don't understand how this is a bad thing. The Olympics if done correctly should inject money into the province and therefore will benefit its people.

3. Move your ass to Saskatchewan or some other affordable province if you don't like it so much.

If you can't find a job or a house or money in vancouver, move somewhere less expensive...with all those resources you have to move.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If you can't find a job or a house or money in vancouver, move somewhere less expensive...with all those resources you have to move.

Welfare checks and an opposable thumb for hitchhiking may get you where you want to go. Also, I've heard Alberta is looking for employees.

How much money is a bus ticket from Vancouver to the prairies? Why don't these people use a couple weeks panhandling to better their lives instead of joining in some lobbying efforts to an Olympic games that has already been vastly committed to?

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

Oops, corrected

I put the VAN in VANFLAMESFAN.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

The Rockies are far away from Vancouver, like i said time to do some travelling

Wow, Mel. Relax about Vancouver. I don't get all the hate you have on for it . I hate the team (i.e. the Canucks) but I really enjoyed the city. I would move back there in a heartbeat.

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Welfare checks and an opposable thumb for hitchhiking may get you where you want to go. Also, I've heard Alberta is looking for employees.

How much money is a bus ticket from Vancouver to the prairies? Why don't these people use a couple weeks panhandling to better their lives instead of joining in some lobbying efforts to an Olympic games that has already been vastly committed to?

Mr. Coffee...

This is what they are going to have to use, in BC, to buy a bus or plane ticket to Alberta. I flew a lot inbtwn BC and Alta, and a ticket will run you approx. 90 to 130 one way.

http://www.mhr.gov.bc.ca/mhr/ia.htm

So if we take Category A 1 person, for example, I guess they can use the $185 they get in a month to buy that ticket . Assuming that they are living in a place for only $325 in rent. Food is also pretty over rated .

[ernie]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Yes so why not have them in Eastern Canada, were most athletes come from, no speed skater given the choice is going to train at sea level over a higher elevation, just doesnt make sense, in fact atheletes from all over the world come to calgary to take advantage of that...

The elite world class speedskaters, for example, are going to prefer to train in Calgary because of altitude sure. Agree completely.

However, this isn't about the elite athletes. This is about the KIDS across the country that will benefit from state of the art training facilities. In this case, BC kids will be given a greater chance to become part of that elite by getting to skate on great ice in a world class facility. They will get to watch world class competition that you know will return year after year to the facility as it returns to the Oval in Calgary. Just one example, but the same pretty much goes for all the other new facilities.

[MagicallyAdept]

Don't the world's best speedskaters come to Calgary anyway to train because of the fastest ice? I remember during the Turin games the BBC commentator said that the guy who makes the ice in Calgary is world famous for producing the quickest ice.

Over here in London we had an announcement that the 2012 summer games have already gone £1billion over budget before they start building. Total cost is expected to be about 50billion or something stupid. Now we have no money left to actually train any athletes.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by MagicallyAdept

Don't the world's best speedskaters come to Calgary anyway to train because of the fastest ice? I remember during the Turin games the BBC commentator said that the guy who makes the ice in Calgary is world famous for producing the quickest ice.

I think that's true. There was another world record set at the Oval just a couple weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Welfare checks and an opposable thumb for hitchhiking may get you where you want to go. Also, I've heard Alberta is looking for employees.

I heard an interesting stat the other day that as many as 40% of BCs junkies are coming in from Alberta. It looks like the poor are actually going the opposite direction.

disclaimer:I heard this second hand, so it may not be accurate. I'll try to find a source

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I think that's true. There was another world record set at the Oval just a couple weeks ago.


I heard an interesting stat the other day that as many as 40% of BCs junkies are coming in from Alberta. It looks like the poor are actually going the opposite direction.

disclaimer:I heard this second hand, so it may not be accurate. I'll try to find a source

I think even without a source this is basically true. Not due to the jobs available, simply because it's an easier climate to live on the streets out here.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

I think even without a source this is basically true. Not due to the jobs available, simply because it's an easier climate to live on the streets out here.

It is true, but i think the progression doesnt start in Alberta...A lot come from east of Alberta in search of jobs, they may get into certain addictions and realize they are better off on the west coast where the climate is warmer...

Most of Alberta's "junkies" arent even from Alberta.
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[Banned Flames Fan in Van]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I put the VAN in VANFLAMESFAN.

Thanks for the directions... but I didn't quite make it to City Hall in time last night, when I got there there was still about 10 000 police officers loitering around though.

I have a problem with people who think that "my parents didn't speak english, had no money and they made it..." because that's not what the problem is. There are so many other issues at play with this issue. We're talking substance abuse, mental illness, sex trade, societal pressures, bad home-life, people who have been on the streets since they were kids... By basically saying "they're lazy" is ignoring the underlying causes. That mentality has been around since the beginning of capitalism and the beginning of homelessness, and what has it accomplished? It certainly is not helping the problem, only exacerbating it.

Yes, let's just move these people to places where it's cheaper to live, like Saskatchewan... because the minus 40 degrees in the winter is one way of population control of the homeless...

[Banned Flames Fan in Van]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

It is true, but i think the progression doesnt start in Alberta...A lot come from east of Alberta in search of jobs, they may get into certain addictions and realize they are better off on the west coast where the climate is warmer...

Most of Alberta's "junkies" arent even from Alberta.

You're clearly a crackhead that lives on East Hastings.

I thought junkies were lazy? Why would they move to Alberta for jobs? Where the price of living is on the rise? You don't have a clue about substance abuse, and it's people like you that make assumptions like this without knowing anything on the subject that drives me crazy! Have you ever actually talked to a "junkie"? Asked them why they're in the situation they are in? You haven't, and you can tell because you're completely oblivious to the entire situation.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Banned Flames Fan in Van

You're clearly a crackhead that lives on East Hastings.

?? wtf, right after you lay this nice one down - Why is it so hard for people who live in Vancouver to realize that some people just dont care for the city - i lived there for 5 years, i know how the game is played there, i dont care for the comments i got from some, whenever they found out where i came from....

Yes, let's just move these people to places where it's cheaper to live, like Saskatchewan... because the minus 40 degrees in the winter is one way of population control of the homeless...

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[Banned Flames Fan in Van]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

?? wtf, right after you lay this nice one down

Hey, weren't you the one that said Quebec had mountains?

Yeah, that's what I thought... East Hastings...

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Banned Flames Fan in Van

Hey, weren't you the one that said Quebec had mountains?

Yeah, that's what I thought... East Hastings...

they do have mountains in quebec


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