Jesus Camp

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Watch the documentary and you'll see that 12% developing.

I think there is already in small percentage within the Christian religion, or consider themselves part of the Christian religion, who feel like it is their calling to kill abortion doctors, etc, etc.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Well WHEN 12% of Christians start believing that beheading and killing those that are not of their faith and driving airplanes into tall buildings is OK. AND the 88% of the non-radical Christians make no attempt to condemn. halt,or isolate the 12% but instead come up with lame excuses and terms like Christophobia to deflect criticism.....

I'll be very happy to start pointing my finger at them too.

How many christians are in favour of the wanton murder of close to a million innocent Iraqi's?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Seems like some subjective stuff here... I'm sure you have the source of the 12% stat, so you may as well drag that out for us to take a look at.

Also... I suppose to refute your (apparent) claim that Muslim's tolerate the radical minority I assume I'd only have to find a quote or two from a Muslim religious figure condemning radical Islam?

Both religions are probably populated by more or less normal people... its the fringe/radical elements of both that give each a bad name.

Unless 'we're' just good and 'they're' just bad... oh, I forgot the apparently obligatory condescending emoticon.

Well lets see here


We'll start with CAIR. Our "Islamophobia/backlash that never happened" non-radical group. As far as we have gotten with them is that they accept that Western governments consider that Hamas and Hesbollah are terrorist organisations.

But lets look at recent polls!

12% of Canadian Muslims think it is OK to behead elected officials

CBC breakdown

Per cent who identify with moderates or extremists in this struggle Muslims in
Canada: Moderates 80 Extremists 14


You see....very happy to see 88% of muslims are happy with their lot. It is the 12% or 84,000 others that worry me.

Lets say the poll is heavily skewed and is wrong by more than the 4.4%. Say....10%.

That still leaves 14000 people.


Add up all the violent dingbat Christian groups and you wouldn't come close to that number.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

How many christians are in favour of the wanton murder of close to a million innocent Iraqi's?

Well hey....just for comparisons.....


How many Hindus, Sikhs, and Buddists in Canada want to hack your head off?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

How many christians are in favour of the wanton murder of close to a million innocent Iraqi's?

A million?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Well hey....just for comparisons.....


How many Hindus, Sikhs, and Buddists in Canada want to hack your head off?

What exactly are you comparing? One of your worthless posts to another?

People in canada that want to cut my head off = 0

I'll let you try and break that down into religious denominations.

And just like the rest of the threads where you feel it necessary to flaunt your bigotry, I'm finished.

[Azure]

Million??...Flash?

He must have me on ignore....

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

How many christians are in favour of the wanton murder of close to a million innocent Iraqi's?

Based on the results of the last presidential election, where Iraq was front and center, I would have to say that number is just over 10 million. It was the Christian vote that pushed Bush and his Iraq doctrine into a second term. Those votes were just under 10.5 million church-goin' people. Sure, they didn't vote directly for the murder of the innocent Iraqi's, but the support of the ideology makes them complicit with the crime IMO.

[Azure]

Come on Lanny....does that mean everyone who voted for JFK wanted him to start a war that would murder millions of innocent Vietnamese? Or take the world to the brink of nuclear war?

I still can't figure out where the million comes from...I mean...

http://www.iraqbodycount.org

Anyone?

[Mayer]

Originally Posted by Azure

Come on Lanny....does that mean everyone who voted for JFK wanted him to start a war that would murder millions of innocent Vietnamese? Or take the world to the brink of nuclear war?

I still can't figure out where the million comes from...I mean...

http://www.iraqbodycount.org

Anyone?

Anti-Bush people using bogus "facts" to prove a weak point? Get out of here!

[MarchHare]

Saw this last night.

I have to say, I thought it was very well-balanced. It didn't appear at all to be a smear job, and the filmmakers rarely editorialized or offered any commentary of their own. Essentially, they gave Becky (the pastor/camp organizer) enough rope to hang herself. Then again, I suspect that when Becky saw the completed film, she was probably quite happy with the way she came off and how much of her message was exposed to a larger audience. As much as I disagree with her message, you can't deny that she has an extraordinary amount of charisma.

The segments with Ted Haggard, as noted, are extremely humourous in hindisight.

More than once I thought the filmmakers were using a cheap trick of overlaying artificially creepy music and chanting sounds to enhance the feeling that these kids are being manipulated, but then they cut to a shot of the camp's musicians and singers actually performing what we, the documentary audience, were hearing. That blew me away.

Also, as previously mentioned in this thread, that one kid talking about how he was saved at the age of five because "I needed more out of life" was also quite shocking.

I really enjoyed the segments with the Christian radio host from Air America Radio (anyone know his name?). I wish more moderate American Christians would speak out against the radical religious right like he does. He reminded me of a good friend of my parents, a progressive Christian pastor. He's told me stories about attending services at some of the large evangelical churches in the South (his wife is from Louisiana), and even he was frightened by what he saw. He said they're promoting Bush and unflinching American patriotism just as much as they promote their faith in God.

[kootenayguy9]

Wow I just finished watching this also. I find it interesting that most students that are homeschooled are Evangelical Christians. Also the fact that the leader of the Evangelical Christian movement talks to George W. every Monday.

[RougeUnderoos]

I just watched this movie and unfortunately it wasn't very surprising.

That kid named "Levi" (the one with the cool haircut) is obviously a pretty clever and charismatic lad. My guess is that he'll end up as either the leader of an infamous swampland death cult or a professor of Christian mythology at an Ivy League university.

Those people should alter their anti-abortion message just a little bit if they really want to reach the tykes. Home-schooled kindergarteners and children wearing diapers probably don't quite understand fractions, so saying (I'll be paraphrasing here) "1/3rd of your friends are not here because of abortion" doesn't resonate with the audience on any level.