Calgary Ring Road Proposal- some cool maps

[Shazam]

I'm sure Bronco is still seething that someone did something in the city without his permission.

[I_am_Beast]

Originally Posted by browna

IMO, the whole hold up is the SW portion, and the Natives and their lands.
They're the ones dragging their feet in all this for the past 2+ years.
I've been to the sessions, since we live in Lakeview, only about 50 m from the south side of Glenmore...

The city has another option, it's costly the best idea so far, it's to tunnel under the native land and pop back up on the other side. Thus connecting the ring road and give people another route to go down south other than using Glenmore.

If this happens the city will block all access to the reserve/casio from city streets. So if people wanted to go to the casio they would have to enter from the deep south and where they are building the casio now, would almost kill the idea totally for the nation and majorly screw them up.

[I_am_Beast]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I'm sure Bronco is still seething that someone did something in the city without his permission.

Bronco is an idiot and should have been removed long ago... all he is, is a Liberal pawn in the west.

He spends more time drawing party lines than just doing whats right.

[cgy2london]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I was poking around the Alberta Gov't's site and stumbled across a map that shows the proposed ring road, and all the interchanges.
http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFT...on/cphpmap.htm

At first it may appear to be somewhat unimpressive, but click on the section of ring road that you are interested in, and it will bring you to a new page showing the interchanges and what they will look like. For example, living in McKenzie Towne I was curious to see what the 52nd Street interchange with 22X was going to look like. Here it is: http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/INFT.../P-3247-59.pdf

Hopefully this will be all done before my grandchildren have to drive me around because I'm too old.

I played hockey back in the day with the Calgary Royals, a kid by the name of Bret Manywounds was on my team. His dad is the main reason the connection through the reserve wont happen. His dad is somehow in charge of reserve affairs or something for this project, i donno but anyone who has followed this has seen Peter Manywounds on teh news and what not discussing the topid. His son informed me that the it will never go through indian land. I woulndt hold my breath on this getting done anytime soon

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Kerplunk

Are those interchanges, or huge clumps of spaghetti? Hope the engineers know what they are doing (not gonna hold my breath).

I looked at the one by my place. Looks pretty good. No lights, no weaving, etc. Good to see they are thinking in 3 dimensions finally.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

The city has another option, it's costly the best idea so far, it's to tunnel under the native land and pop back up on the other side. Thus connecting the ring road and give people another route to go down south other than using Glenmore.

If this happens the city will block all access to the reserve/casio from city streets. So if people wanted to go to the casio they would have to enter from the deep south and where they are building the casio now, would almost kill the idea totally for the nation and majorly screw them up.

Are you sure they are allowed to tunnell under the land?

If so that would be a fantasic (but bloody expensive ordeal).

I dont agree the reserve should be completely cut off from the city (hospital access etc), but I would suggest giving them one interchange with a toll booth.

MYK

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

The city has another option, it's costly the best idea so far, it's to tunnel under the native land and pop back up on the other side. Thus connecting the ring road and give people another route to go down south other than using Glenmore.

If this happens the city will block all access to the reserve/casio from city streets. So if people wanted to go to the casio they would have to enter from the deep south and where they are building the casio now, would almost kill the idea totally for the nation and majorly screw them up.

Legally I don't think you can tunnell under the native lands. I'm sure the Tsuu Tina Nation has more than just the surface rights to that land. They own what is underneath as well.

[Bobblehead]

I have heard the tunnel idea for Barlow under the airport, but not for the ring road.

(Barlow runs over airport property and they want that land for airport runway expansion in the next few years)

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

I noticed that nothing is being done with the Southland Tr / Deerfoot S interchange...

While it doesn't appear on the site I have learned that one of the proposals for that interchange is a modified "fly-over" concept for the exit from Southland to Deerfoot.

[ken0042]

Where have you heard that Reaper? I ask because I heard the same thing in an email I received a couple of year ago from somebody at the Province's trasportation department, and I'm wondering if you heard it from me, or from an independant source.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Where have you heard that Reaper? I ask because I heard the same thing in an email I received a couple of year ago from somebody at the Province's trasportation department, and I'm wondering if you heard it from me, or from an independant source.

I'm currently employed by someone who works in the Transportation Department of an Engineering firm preferred by the city and province. I can't really give much more specifics than that.

[ken0042]

That's good enough for me. I was looking for confirmation that a politician wasn't just blowing smoke.

What I was told was it couldn't proceed until LaFarge packed up shop right beside there as they need that land.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I have heard the tunnel idea for Barlow under the airport, but not for the ring road.

(Barlow runs over airport property and they want that land for airport runway expansion in the next few years)

Yeah I have heard that as well.

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I have heard the tunnel idea for Barlow under the airport, but not for the ring road.

(Barlow runs over airport property and they want that land for airport runway expansion in the next few years)

This is a picture of the proposed surface road system for the airport after the new runway is built. http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...ude/barlow.jpg

Pretty cool really. The entire plan can be found here: http://www.calgaryairport.com/document.cfm?did=850
Just click the 20 year plan link. (Note: It's honkin huge. 15mb!)

Back to the original topic...I really like the plan. It's about time that this city gets some real interchanges. I wonder how they plan on all of those fly-overs performing in -30 though?

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by psicodude

This is a picture of the proposed surface road system for the airport after the new runway is built. http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...ude/barlow.jpg

Pretty cool really. The entire plan can be found here: http://www.calgaryairport.com/document.cfm?did=850
Just click the 20 year plan link. (Note: It's honkin huge. 15mb!)

Back to the original topic...I really like the plan. It's about time that this city gets some real interchanges. I wonder how they plan on all of those fly-overs performing in -30 though?

I'm pretty sure that play and gone my the wayside. There is no way they can swing Barlow like that anymore. Challenger Park appears to be in the way. Also the picture shows a spur and an intersection with 36th. Based on what I see of the construction/fly-over/c-train there is no intersection possible. (And that part of 36th is no longer 36th, it is now Metis Trail north of McKnight)

During the open houses for the the 36th/McKnight interchange there was talk that this would replace the Barlow section, but for that to happen they would need to finish the eastern portion of Airport Trail

[ZDogg]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Very interesting, thanks for sharing this.

Whats the over/under on this being done by 2017?

I'll go with under except for the SW portion. I believe the North East portion was just "awarded" as a P3. That should get the ball rolling on that section.

If the Oil Revenues keep rolling in the Province Should have lots of money to finish the Ring Road. It also helps that Stelmach was voted in because he is a big supporter for increasing the transportation budgets.

[ZDogg]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I'm pretty sure that play and gone my the wayside. There is no way they can swing Barlow like that anymore. Challenger Park appears to be in the way. Also the picture shows a spur and an intersection with 36th. Based on what I see of the construction/fly-over/c-train there is no intersection possible. (And that part of 36th is no longer 36th, it is now Metis Trail north of McKnight)

During the open houses for the the 36th/McKnight interchange there was talk that this would replace the Barlow section, but for that to happen they would need to finish the eastern portion of Airport Trail

For the Airport Development I would imagine they would leave Barlow where it is and just build a bridge over Barlow to the other future runway (Or lower Barlow under a small tunnel). The airplanes would then Taxi over to that area... (its done in several larger American Cities such as Dallas and Houston).

The Airport Trail Tunnel (under the future runway) to Metis Trail will likely be where the CTrain crosses over and connects with the Airport. It only makes sense...

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I'm pretty sure that play and gone my the wayside. There is no way they can swing Barlow like that anymore. Challenger Park appears to be in the way. Also the picture shows a spur and an intersection with 36th. Based on what I see of the construction/fly-over/c-train there is no intersection possible. (And that part of 36th is no longer 36th, it is now Metis Trail north of McKnight)

During the open houses for the the 36th/McKnight interchange there was talk that this would replace the Barlow section, but for that to happen they would need to finish the eastern portion of Airport Trail

I thought that the airport already owned all of that land. But to be honest, I haven't been in that area of the city in a good 5 years. Maybe they just ditch Barlow going to the airport altogether as Airport Tr. seems easier.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by ZDogg

For the Airport Development I would imagine they would leave Barlow where it is and just build a bridge over Barlow to the other future runway (Or lower Barlow under a small tunnel). The airplanes would then Taxi over to that area... (its done in several larger American Cities such as Dallas and Houston).

The Airport Trail Tunnel (under the future runway) to Metis Trail will likely be where the CTrain crosses over and connects with the Airport. It only makes sense...

I know there was talk of dropping Barlow into a tunnel, but that was going to be costly. The Metis Trail interchange should be finished in early summer, and it appears to be a dual lane flyover from eastbound McKnight to Northbound Metis Trail so that will accomodate a lot of traffic.

The new C-Train station (Westwinds) and maintenance yards are under construction (tracks are 90% laid, they appear to be waiting for the flyover to finish so they can cross what is the current McKnight without fouling up traffic). The most recent plans are for the C-Train to go towards 80th then swing east to Saddleridge Circle, but I agree a swing into the Airport would make sense.

Originally Posted by psicodude

I thought that the airport already owned all of that land. But to be honest, I haven't been in that area of the city in a good 5 years. Maybe they just ditch Barlow going to the airport altogether as Airport Tr. seems easier.

The airport did/does, but they have allowed a bunch of development and were actually talking about a golf course wedged in there. I''d guess the runways in your map are still accurate, the the Barlow re-alignment doesn't seem to fit with what has been built in the last 3 years (a lot!)

Throwing this derailment back on the tracks, this shows Airport trail east swinging down to join the ring road. I wonder why they would do that?

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by Shazam

What Tuscany wants, Tuscany gets

I don't get it, what do you mean?