Maher Arar Gets His Apology and a Little Spending Money....

[Flames_Gimp]

cool so i just have to go get tortured for a year and I get 10mil? sweet..where do i sign up?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

cool so i just have to go get tortured for a year and I get 10mil? sweet..where do i sign up?

Me too. Where's my zipper gimp mask!

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The least he can do is drop his dual Syrian-Canadian citizenship. Why would he keep his allegiance to a country that tortured him?

He probably continues to feel allegiance to the country. It is the government that he has no affinity for.

[eazyduzzit]

Sign me up....

I'd get bashed up in a Syrian jail for 12.5 million.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Looger

well, what i meant with the reference to harper's 2003 bilderberg king-making speech was that a judas goat, a 'good shepherd', like stephen OR cretien OR martin or whoever else has sold canada out to globalist one-world government interests is as meaningless as from any traitor.

'hey this country that i am selling out as we speak is sorry'

yeah... real sorry. meanwhile we'll just send the other 30 million canadians down the river by not repealing the security and prosperity partnership agreement or NAFTA or any other sovereignty-destroying framework.

Please tell me...what you have against NAFTA? This agreement has helped Canada much more than the USA.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Can I be tortured for a couple of years for $10M?

His wife ran here in Ottawa for the NDP. Monia is the stronger person of the two. She's the one that argued with officials every single day to get enough political pressure to get him back to Canada.

I don't think anyone is giving Syria a pass on this. But how can we start telling other countries how to treat their own people if we condemn our own to torture?

He deserves some compensation...but 10 million?? Come on....David Milgard spent 20 years in prison and all he got was 14 million. Something is wrong here...

[eazyduzzit]

I love how money has to be extracted all the time.

Who puts price tags on these situations anyway..

[Looger]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Please tell me...what you have against NAFTA? This agreement has helped Canada much more than the USA.

it's funny, isn't it?

you sign a trade agreement and suddenly you lose rights to your own water, and everyone thinks it's 'the states'.

funny thing is though, if you listen to americans, the same thing's happening down there - the loss of fresh water reserves.

who are these globalist robber barons that seem to be playing everyone off against each other?

the same complaints canadians have aboot these 'trade' agreements are the same complaints the senior partner's citizens have.

'free trade' - what a joke, the amount of paperwork and red tape for smaller exporters has easily doubled just in my short career, as the agreements take hold. at my last job i spent almost two hours on the phone once with customs agents trying to classify a test box the company had been shipping to the states for two decades - and i had to keep re-doing it.

meanwhile gigantic corporations make use of markets and labour at their whim.

this is cartel trade. in the old days it was called 'mercantilism' and the british empire made great use of it.

old trick, renamed some flashy new name with a bunch of sovereignty destruction thrown in for good measure.

soon the nafta superhighway (under construction as we speak by the way) will completely circumvent unions for longshoremen and teamsters (not that i'm some huge fan of them...) as mexican truck drivers move goods from the physical mexican ports to mexican virtual ports like kansas city.

this kind of activity destroys economies, it allows goods to be sold by fewer and fewer outfits at lower prices maximizing their profits and squeezing out all opposition - like walmart on a macro scale.

'free market' = globalist monopolies.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Looger

it's funny, isn't it?

you sign a trade agreement and suddenly you lose rights to your own water, and everyone thinks it's 'the states'.

funny thing is though, if you listen to americans, the same thing's happening down there - the loss of fresh water reserves.

What are you talking about? Other than a few states complaining about a few rivers running through their states from Canada....I really don't know what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by looger

who are these globalist robber barons that seem to be playing everyone off against each other?

the same complaints canadians have aboot these 'trade' agreements are the same complaints the senior partner's citizens have.

This paranioa about a "world order" means nothing to me, so leave it out of the arguement....it is all speculation.

Originally Posted by looger

'free trade' - what a joke, the amount of paperwork and red tape for smaller exporters has easily doubled just in my short career, as the agreements take hold. at my last job i spent almost two hours on the phone once with customs agents trying to classify a test box the company had been shipping to the states for two decades - and i had to keep re-doing it.

If you think this has anything to do with free trade....you really do not understand the issue. Customs classification has nothing....absolutly nothing to do with free trade. Any product entering Canada needs to be classified regardless if it comes from Mexico or Iran.

Originally Posted by looger

meanwhile gigantic corporations make use of markets and labour at their whim.

That is what free trade is about. Removing barriors not creating them. If we didn't have free trade.....Calgary would not be growing right now....we would not have the workers needed to keep the economy gowing. We don't even have enough now with NAFTA.....can you imagine how it would be without it?

Originally Posted by looger

soon the nafta superhighway (under construction as we speak by the way) will completely circumvent unions for longshoremen and teamsters (not that i'm some huge fan of them...) as mexican truck drivers move goods from the physical mexican ports to mexican virtual ports like kansas city.

So what....if they are moving mexican goods....why should they not be allowed to bring them to the company that purchased them? If this was not allowed, so much for Canadian truck drivers...since 85% of our economy comes from the USA....might aswell let the Americans come to the border and pick all their goods up from the train station.

Originally Posted by looger

this kind of activity destroys economies, it allows goods to be sold by fewer and fewer outfits at lower prices maximizing their profits and squeezing out all opposition - like walmart on a macro scale.

'free market' = globalist monopolies.

The reason walmart exists is because that is what the consumer wants. If the consumer did not want it...it would not be around. That is the beauty of free trade...the consumer gets what they want....not something forced upon them by people like you.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

He deserves some compensation...but 10 million?? Come on....David Milgard spent 20 years in prison and all he got was 14 million. Something is wrong here...

Yeah something is wrong here. An innocent guy gets kidnapped, based partially on the actions of the Canadian government, flown to Syria with a bag over his head and lives in a hole in the ground and gets tortured for two years and people are saying "that's not worth 10 million bucks" or "I'd do that for 10 million bucks".

What do you think it's worth? I think it's worth at least 10 million bucks myself. Maybe it's just me, but two years is a long time to be in a hole. And although I'm not familiar with Syrian torture techniques, I'm pretty sure they are quite unpleasant and going through them just once would be something that would affect me in a very negative way for the rest of my life.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Looger

well, what i meant with the reference to harper's 2003 bilderberg king-making speech was that a judas goat, a 'good shepherd', like stephen OR cretien OR martin or whoever else has sold canada out to globalist one-world government interests is as meaningless as from any traitor.

'hey this country that i am selling out as we speak is sorry'

yeah... real sorry. meanwhile we'll just send the other 30 million canadians down the river by not repealing the security and prosperity partnership agreement or NAFTA or any other sovereignty-destroying framework.

You seem like a decent enough guy, but you have got to go see a doctor.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Me too. Where's my zipper gimp mask!

i figure ive already had a lifetime of torture, I want 10 mil too lol

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yeah something is wrong here. An innocent guy gets kidnapped, based partially on the actions of the Canadian government, flown to Syria with a bag over his head and lives in a hole in the ground and gets tortured for two years and people are saying "that's not worth 10 million bucks" or "I'd do that for 10 million bucks".

What do you think it's worth? I think it's worth at least 10 million bucks myself. Maybe it's just me, but two years is a long time to be in a hole. And although I'm not familiar with Syrian torture techniques, I'm pretty sure they are quite unpleasant and going through them just once would be something that would affect me in a very negative way for the rest of my life.

I don't know how much he deserves, I don't think it is 10 million just by itself. Compare it to David Milgard who spend 20 years or ten times the amount of time locked up as an inoccent man (who only got 14 million) and it is certainly not worth 10 million...lets see....maybe 2 million.

That is what I am saying...there is omething really wrong when someone gets almost the same amount of compensation for 2 year screw up compared to a 20 year screw up.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I don't know how much he deserves, I don't think it is 10 million just by itself. Compare it to David Milgard who spend 20 years or ten times the amount of time locked up as an inoccent man (who only got 14 million) and it is certainly not worth 10 million...lets see....maybe 2 million.

That is what I am saying...there is omething really wrong when someone gets almost the same amount of compensation for 2 year screw up compared to a 20 year screw up.

I think the Milgaard comparison is somewhat invalid, considering the circumstances. That being said, he got ripped off. I'd say being in the slammer is worth at least a million bucks a year.

You can't really put a price on destroying someone's life, which is what happened to both of these guys. Whatever they get it's not enough. They should get enough that they can enjoy the rest of their lives without having to work at the very least.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You can't really put a price on destroying someone's life, which is what happened to both of these guys. Whatever they get it's not enough. They should get enough that they can enjoy the rest of their lives without having to work at the very least.

True. I was just joking around. I wouldn't give up a year of my life (or just under a year like Arar) for any amount of money.

The only thing that ticks me off is that I don't think Canada deserves all the blame it is getting. Unless I am missing something here, all the RCMP did was tell the U.S. that Arar was a "person of interest", and that he would be in the U.S. for a short period of time. It was the U.S. that decided to strip him of his rights, and it was Syria that allegedly tortured him.... and Canada has to apologize and give him $12-13 million? (He is apparently getting an additional $2-3 million for legal fees).

I guess the idea of him legitimately being labelled a PIO is up for debate. He was the "aquainence of an aquaintence" of someone who was under suspicion for terrorism ties. I agree that it is kind of fuzzy, the same thing happens to numerous Canadians in all types of activities. It's what we demand of our police and investigators (right or wrong). I'm sure we are somewhat obligated to tell the U.S. of any Canadian POI's that are going through the U.S..

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Looger

yeah... real sorry. meanwhile we'll just send the other 30 million canadians down the river by not repealing the security and prosperity partnership agreement or NAFTA or any other sovereignty-destroying framework.

OK I'll bite.

So what's the best plan, build a 30ft wall along the 49th?

I gotta admit, I'm not feeling very sold down the river because we can easily export goods around the world.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Looger

soon the nafta superhighway (under construction as we speak by the way) will completely circumvent unions for longshoremen and teamsters (not that i'm some huge fan of them...) as mexican truck drivers move goods from the physical mexican ports to mexican virtual ports like kansas city.

this kind of activity destroys economies, it allows goods to be sold by fewer and fewer outfits at lower prices maximizing their profits and squeezing out all opposition - like walmart on a macro scale.

'free market' = globalist monopolies.

Ha.

This kind of activity makes economies more efficient. The Mexican can deliver goods around Alberta for all I care, we are short the labor, and Mexico is long the labor.

This kind of activity allows goods to be produced as efficiently as possible. And BTW, it's a free country so you can choose to shop Walmart or not. I may save a buck at Walmart but I hate the place so I'll never go there ... all part of living in a free economy. Walmart, or the macro scale walmart model only works if the consumer prefers it.

I hear the CRTC is hiring ...
BTW, Canada's economy as REALLY SUFFERED lately

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I don't know how much he deserves, I don't think it is 10 million just by itself. Compare it to David Milgard who spend 20 years or ten times the amount of time locked up as an inoccent man (who only got 14 million) and it is certainly not worth 10 million...lets see....maybe 2 million.

That is what I am saying...there is omething really wrong when someone gets almost the same amount of compensation for 2 year screw up compared to a 20 year screw up.

20 years of being fed and looked after while incarcerated is a hell of alot better than 2 years of being totured by some psycho's any day but maybe thats just me.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

20 years of being fed and looked after while incarcerated is a hell of alot better than 2 years of being totured by some psycho's any day but maybe thats just me.

Right....it so much better to **** away 20 years of ones life as long as you are well fed. Give your head a shake man.