It had to happen: Trudeau may run for Parliament

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

i'm too young to have experience the Trudeau era, what exactly made him so bad for those in the west?

From Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_...ct_to_the_west

And the NEP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program

[llama64]

Originally Posted by arsenal

From Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_...ct_to_the_west

And the NEP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program

I grewup listening to my parents rant and rant and rant about the terrors of Trudeau and how awful a man he was. The funny thing was he did do a lot of important work other then the devilish NEP.

Constitution, Charter of Rights and Freedoms, standing up to Separatist terrorism... he was a pretty influential guy.

If Trudeau 2.0 proves to have the same charisma and idealism, I'd see him as a welcome addition to a largely vapid political landscape. Seriously, if our potential leaders only include a short irritating elf and two horribly social innept nerds...

[MatsNaslund]

The winning formula that the old man used and can be used again by the younger Trudeau to get maximum votes in Ontario & Quebec (the only places whose votes actually matter):

Give Alberta the middle finger salute and tell us how we are all #1. Another way of doing is that is pushing the pro-environment agenda and putting on a carbon-tax to punish Fort Mac.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by MatsNaslund

The winning formula that the old man used and can be used again by the younger Trudeau to get maximum votes in Ontario & Quebec (the only places whose votes actually matter):

Give Alberta the middle finger salute and tell us how we are all #1. Another way of doing is that is pushing the pro-environment agenda and putting on a carbon-tax to punish Fort Mac.

You mean punish Fort Mac for its success? Yep, that's certainly the Trudeau way.

The election of another similar Trudeau would set this country back 25 years.

[MacDougalbry]

My impression is that Justin is more like his mom than his dad, and she is a complete wing nut.

[Resolute 14]

One of Trudeau's greatest faults was his undying belief that the feds (read: Trudeau) should have all the power. He fought Lougheed tooth and nail any time Alberta (or any other province, for that matter) attempted to push for greater control.

Trudeau was the living embodiment of centralized government, which in Canada means "Ontario and Quebec and who cares about the rest?"

[Winsor_Pilates]

For the sake of arguement I'll go along with the "Trudeau was terrible" idea. But having said that, how do you guys know Justin would be similar and "screw Alberta"?
I personally don't know much about him. Has he demonstrated anything to suggest he'd be bad for the West, or is it just because of who his dad was and he's a liberal?

The leave Canada talk seems quite overblown for a guy who isn't even doing anything yet.

[skins]

Now this is funny. From Wiki:

Petro-Canada, the nationalized oil company headquartered in Calgary, was responsible for implementing much of the program. Petro-Canada was given the nickname "Pierre Elliott Trudeau Rips Off - Canada"...

A popular western slogan during the NEP - appearing on many bumper stickers - was Let the Eastern *******s freeze in the dark

I did not know that.

[CaptainCrunch]

I remember how devastating the NEP program was to alberta, I was just a kid, but I remember my parents business going under, getting our house taken by the bank, and the tow truck backing up to my parents car. The crappy christmas' for years after because my folks had basically sank thier money into building a successfuly business before Trudeau and Lalonde and his band of thugs tried to destroy this province because we didn't think the same way as Central Canada. I also remember my dad having to move out of the province to find work to support the family while my mom decided not to uproot us kids so that we wouldn't lose everything including our friends.

I remember friends of mine who's parents walked away from thier houses when they lost thier jobs enmass.

I have little sympathy for the Liberal Party because in my mind they're still the same party and they've never addressed the fact that they have little respect for this province and thier people.


People were telling me how great of a Canadian Trudeau was when he died, but I really didn't care about him or his legacy of destruction. I always thought he should have been tossed into a ditch instead of given a state funeral. I know that sounds cold, but again I saw the destruction that he wrought, and what it did to my family.

He was a pin head and a pirate and a petty man who craved power above everything.

He was hardly a great Canadian, or a great leader. He was full of charisma, and thats what he got by on.

His son to me seems like the same kind of empty vacuum tube with charisma.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

For the sake of arguement I'll go along with the "Trudeau was terrible" idea. But having said that, how do you guys know Justin would be similar and "screw Alberta"?
I personally don't know much about him. Has he demonstrated anything to suggest he'd be bad for the West, or is it just because of who his dad was and he's a liberal?

The leave Canada talk seems quite overblown for a guy who isn't even doing anything yet.

even if he wasn't as terrible a leader as his father was, heck even if he was a half decent leader, having a prime minister with the same last name would probably be enough to get the west (or just alberta) thinking about splitting from canada.

and if he does get to power and does anything to screw over the west or even appear like it might screw the west.... oh dear.....

[cal_guy]

The NEP didn't cause the world price of oil to collapse which was the main reason for the recession in Alberta.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

The NEP didn't cause the world price of oil to collapse which was the main reason for the recession in Alberta.

NO but it sure put the final nail in the coffin.
Is the Petro Canada building still referred to as Red Square?

I mostly liked Trudeau's policies until the NEP really screwed up my life. He had pretty progressive social policies but he sure put this country in debt and I don't care what party or leader comes to power but don't put us in deep debt again.

Anybodys got to be better than Ben Mulroney with his shallow entertainment interests. The Trudeau kid, I don't know much about him yet but he seems idealistic which is a good start.

[Stranger]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I remember how devastating the NEP program was to alberta, I was just a kid, but I remember my parents business going under, getting our house taken by the bank, and the tow truck backing up to my parents car. The crappy christmas' for years after because my folks had basically sank thier money into building a successfuly business before Trudeau and Lalonde and his band of thugs tried to destroy this province because we didn't think the same way as Central Canada. I also remember my dad having to move out of the province to find work to support the family while my mom decided not to uproot us kids so that we wouldn't lose everything including our friends.

I remember friends of mine who's parents walked away from thier houses when they lost thier jobs enmass.

I have little sympathy for the Liberal Party because in my mind they're still the same party and they've never addressed the fact that they have little respect for this province and thier people.


People were telling me how great of a Canadian Trudeau was when he died, but I really didn't care about him or his legacy of destruction. I always thought he should have been tossed into a ditch instead of given a state funeral. I know that sounds cold, but again I saw the destruction that he wrought, and what it did to my family.

He was a pin head and a pirate and a petty man who craved power above everything.

He was hardly a great Canadian, or a great leader. He was full of charisma, and thats what he got by on.

His son to me seems like the same kind of empty vacuum tube with charisma.

I couldn't have put it better myself. Many people I know also lost their businesses and homes during that time. He also was arrogant to western Canadian farmers saying he didn't have to sell our wheat if he didn't want to. I remember after he died a radio talk show had a segment on him and his legacy. Many people were phoning in (most likely Liberals from out east) praising him as a great Canadian and a wonderful man. Then some old farmer from Alberta called in and and basically said today was a great day in Canadian history and I hope he rots in hell. When ever I think of that it makes me laugh.

[Burninator]

Regardless of what politicial stance Trudeau 2.0 has (I bet it would be strikingly similar to his fathers). This would divide the country. People in the west would not vote for him, people in the east would vote for him in a land slide. It would be a terrible thing, not just for Alberta, but for Canada aswell.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by JBR

Is there a Ned Broadbent out there somewhere?

I don't know, but I think John Turner's son went to UWO with me.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Regardless of what politicial stance Trudeau 2.0 has (I bet it would be strikingly similar to his fathers). This would divide the country. People in the west would not vote for him, people in the east would vote for him in a land slide. It would be a terrible thing, not just for Alberta, but for Canada aswell.

I agree. . . . . it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he's PM within 10 years, on the nostalgia ticket alone.

If I remember right, his father originally came to office on the Flower Power ticket, a suave and debonair dandy who bowled the ladies over (and lordy, I still can't figure that one out) as Canada's Kennedy.

Later, we grew to alternately loath him and . . . . . loath him more.

Cowperson

[Burninator]

Slighty off topic, but related.

Trudeau was before my time, so I don't know a lot about him. But I do know that he was really loved and hated by the country. So when the CBC did that "greatest Canadian" special, I was shocked to see that Trudeau made it so far. Thank god he didn't win. How dumb we would look if the "greatest Canadian" was hated by half the country.

[mykalberta]

As a CPC supporter, congratulations to the Liberals.

Personally he seems to timid to banter across the house. Can you see him and John Baird going at it over the environment - please, no contest (maybe not on policy but just sheer volUME OF HIS VOICE). Baird would literally eat him for lunch, no really he might start taking bites out of his head.

I feel sorry abit for Dion. I dont think having Trudeau's son (who didnt support you in leadership campaign) nipping at your leadership heels would be good for confidence. Plus there would be all this anointing of the new leader stuff.

I think when Dion meant "Star" candidates he was more thinking to rebuild the reputation in Quebec, Trudeau brings star power, just not the type Dion was looking for - how is Trudeau's legacy in Quebec - anyone?

MYK

[Stranger]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Slighty off topic, but related.

Trudeau was before my time, so I don't know a lot about him. But I do know that he was really loved and hated by the country. So when the CBC did that "greatest Canadian" special, I was shocked to see that Trudeau made it so far. Thank god he didn't win. How dumb we would look if the "greatest Canadian" was hated by half the country.

There's alot of people in eastern Canada who think he's the greatest thing to happen to this country.

[Bobblehead]

As far as Trudeau is concerned, Quebec is a microcosm of Canada; Federalists love him, Separatists hate him. Trudeau fought long against Rene Levesque (even though in their younger years they were friends), and was always against giving Quebec any special status.

I hated Trudeau's economic policies and not getting Quebec to sign the Constitution but repatriating it anyways was a blunder that continues to haunt the nation. But the man had charisma, moxie and force of will that every other politician would kill to have.