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Slava · 12-29-2006, 03:57 PM

Those fights are great! I love to see strikers do well, its so much more exciting!!
Maybe that kick is why Wanderlei Silva didn't come to the UFC?!
I love watching the fights in general, but have never seen a Pride event. Maybe this weekend I'll look to see that instead of the UFC card...its a tough call.

MrMastodonFarm · 12-29-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Maybe that kick is why Wanderlei Silva didn't come to the UFC?!.

You don't know a thing a Wanderlei Silva do you?

Striking is exciting, but if you can't appreciate a good ground war, you shouldn't be watching MMA.

Slava · 12-29-2006, 07:02 PM

Its true that I don't know Wanderlei Silva (or any of the other Pride fighters) very well. I was making that comment based on that kick that finally took him out of that fight.

I don't mind a good ground fight, but I like watching a striker hold off a pure ground fighter better. It has very little to do with what is more effective or "what works best in a real fight". I just like the pure excitement of a good striker taking a shot and knocking someone out. Its more exciting for me than someone executing a good submission.

kipperfan · 12-30-2006, 11:49 PM

Wow...very good PPV tonight!

I was very happy to see Chuck put Tito in his place in dominating fashion. Thought the stopage was a little premature, but then again it should have been stopped in the 1st round IMO.

Our Alberta boy Jason Macdonald looked very good again as soon as he managed to get Leben to the ground, I think we will be seeing more of him.

The "dean of mean" continues to get better and better with every fight, he showed up Griffin big time and I think should be in line for a title shot if he can win again the next time out, I would like to see him vs Bisping or maybe Rampage depending on how his PPV fight in Februrary goes. BTW what was with Griffin crying his eyes out then running away at the end of that fight....he looked like a little child who just had his teddy bear taken away.

Arlovski looked very good, maybe he and Cro Cop should face off after Cro Cop dominates in his UFC debut in February.

SaskaBushFire · 12-31-2006, 12:14 AM

I'm happy that Rampage is in UFC now. I bet Chuck is getting flash backs.

I hope one day Jackson retires into a commentator position like Randy, he is freaking hilarious.

Cro Cop is the second best fighter in the world, I am a bit suprised he left Pride. He swore to his Dad on his death bed that he would win the Pride heavy weight belt. I guess he still has time to go back and win it.

I agree that both leagues are similar, you can't really put one to far above the other. Pride has a very thick skilled Heavey weight division, but their middle weight is not as talented as UFC's, GSP really is the "new breed" of MMA fighter. Why I have prefered Pride in the past is that they 1) Go straight from fight to fight, mainly because it is pre taped but I noticed even in the last one in Vegas they were very quick, 2) They penalize fighters who do not keep a state of constant action by taking away 10-20% of their purse with cards, 3) They have offered way better fight cards in the past compared to UFC.

This last UFC is an exception, but I remember Shamrock Ortiz 2, that card was HORRIBLE. Around that same time they had Cro Cop, Nogueira, Shogun, Yoshida etc, all fighting on the same card.

I hope UFC is learning from Pride, they showed us a lot of good fights tonight, I wasn't unhappy with a single fight, especially when the Dean of Mean knocked Griffon "the **** out."

SaskaBushFire · 12-31-2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kipperfan

Wow...very good PPV tonight!

I was very happy to see Chuck put Tito in his place in dominating fashion. Thought the stopage was a little premature, but then again it should have been stopped in the 1st round IMO.
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People don't realise that it isn't totally dependent on how many punches you land, you just have to keep your fist moveing. If the guy below you lays there you can punch him 100x in the hand and the fight will be called. Action was called 2 or 3 times before the fight was stopped, you see Tito began to jump up as he saw the ref move in to stop it because he knew he was supposed to move, but he also new as soon as he tried he was going to get knocked out.

You have to intelligently defend yourself but you also have to make an effort to stop the punches or move out of them, if you just sit there trying to block the fight will eventually be called every time.

It has always been safety first in the UFC. Well except when they used to allow hair pulling and all that other dirty stuff

Those were interesting fights. I'd like to see prime Tito fight prime Shamrock and still pull off a win

CMPunk · 12-31-2006, 12:45 AM

Griffen was upset because of how he lost. I don't blame the guy for being upset. We can't all be gracious losers

MrMastodonFarm · 12-31-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CMPunk

Griffen was upset because of how he lost. I don't blame the guy for being upset. We can't all be gracious losers

It was just bizarre, the sprinting to get backstage was odd.

Good PPV though, first two fights were just decent, but nice endings. McDonald survived Leben at first and put him in a wicked choke, I wonder if he and Herman have another roomate MacDonald can beat up on, wicked choke.

Jardine sardined Griffen, hit him with about 15 straight shots to end the fight, it was brutilizing. I think him and Bisping are going to be contenders shortly, Bispind didn't look too impressive but he just looked happy to be there when he came down to the octagon, not the right state of mind to be in, luckily he pulled it through.

I have that first round to Liddell and the 2nd to Ortiz, Tito was winning the third too until Chuck caught him, and then he thought it was a good idea to start exchanging punches with him. It was probably a little quick, and it shouldn't have stopped, but it probably shouldn't have continued late in that first round either.

Cro Cop, Cro Cop, Cro Cop! Too bad they didn't have any highlights or even a photo of him, atleast they had Rampage's WFA fight against Lindland. So happy to see both of those guys, along with Heath Herring in the UFC... should really shake up the UFC heavyweight and 205 division.

UFC 67 looks awesome. So far it is pretty damn predictable... but it should be a highlight show.

Shin Pad · 12-31-2006, 02:49 AM

Well, Cro Cop and Rampage definitely improve UFC, but, I have generally liked Pride much better. I've never missed a UFC or PrideFC in the last 5 years or so. Generally, a PrideFC card has more fights, and better fighters although, lately, the tide is shifting a bit to UFC. My favorite fighter is GSP. Cro Cop is one of my favorite PrideFC fighters. So, with both of them at UFC now, the UFC looks to have taken a huge step in being my favorite Fighting Organization.

I still want to see a Silva vs Liddell fight. I think it would be one hell of a fight.

As for tonight's UFC card, Tito looked very nervous coming into the Octogon. Chuck was calm as usual. Tito has lost his confidence, and I don't think you'll see him with a UFC title belt again - especially with the likes of Rampage Jackson and Cro Cop coming into the UFC.

Hanna Sniper · 12-31-2006, 10:02 AM

Am I the only one that sees it sad that Mirko is ducking Fedor to get a chance at an easy title. With the addition of Heath Herring there is a sign of things getting a lot better in the UFC, but as a elite fighter, one really has to wonder what test the UFC can be for Mirko.

Is this Mirko's way of saying that he didn't think he would be able to beat Fedor or Nogueira? Now I'm not one to think that Mirko is the type to duck anyone really, he's an amazing 1st class talent... but to be the best you have to beat the best (which he very well could have, right now I don't think anyone could beat Fedor but Crop Cop would have been the best chance) but right now Mirko is chasing a paper champion rather then fighting a real one.

Great for the UFC though, look forward to seeing him bring respect back to the heavyweight division again

SaskaBushFire · 12-31-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Am I the only one that sees it sad that Mirko is ducking Fedor to get a chance at an easy title. With the addition of Heath Herring there is a sign of things getting a lot better in the UFC, but as a elite fighter, one really has to wonder what test the UFC can be for Mirko.

I agree I was a little disapointed as well, I am really looking forward to seeing him knock out Silvia, but he was the best competition Fedor had ... and now he is gone :/ At least for now anyway ...

Shin Pad · 12-31-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SaskaBushFire

I agree I was a little disapointed as well, I am really looking forward to seeing him knock out Silvia, but he was the best competition Fedor had ... and now he is gone :/ At least for now anyway ...

Who knows, maybe Fedor will end up at UFC too.

MrMastodonFarm · 12-31-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Shin Pad

Who knows, maybe Fedor will end up at UFC too.

Exactly. The balance is shifting in which organization can hand out the cash now, Fedor might be in the UFC in a year or two, who knows. Cro Cop's current deal is a 6 fight deal. He made the smart choice taking the cash, nothing wrong with that

Slava · 01-02-2007, 11:50 AM

I enjoyed the UFC card this weekend. The fights were good and it was fun to watch!

This weekend was my first time watching a Pride event and I was very impressed! I was a little bit wary of paying to see this because I had assumed (wrongly!) that this was a cheap UFC knockoff with lesser quality fighters and such.

I was completely off in that thought! The Pride rules are good for the fans. I like that they get fined from their purse if they do things to hold up the fights and such. I also like the 10min. opening round. Lastly, the judging not being tied to a round by round system is a great thing to have. That would change somethings in the UFC (IMO). Overall, I was quite impressed with the whole package. While UFC has the edge in North America, they have to be more than a little bit afraid of Pride; they know how to put on an event!

SeeGeeWhy · 01-02-2007, 01:01 PM

Maybe Mirko just wants to see a change of pace?

If Fedor came to the UFC, I would crap my pants with sheer joy. More NA exposure for the UFC, comapred to Pride... even saw some UFC 66 highlights on the score after it was done.

As for the comment about watching a striker knock a guy out being more exciting... that's not always true. I really enjoyed watching McDonald try to pull Leben's head off.

habernac · 01-02-2007, 02:08 PM

St Pierre struck by the injury bug again:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Fighting/U...134982-cp.html

Slava · 01-02-2007, 02:20 PM

As for the comment about watching a striker knock a guy out being more exciting... that's not always true. I really enjoyed watching McDonald try to pull Leben's head off.

I agree with you on this! But I hate Leben, so that is a little biased!

Agamemnon · 01-02-2007, 02:30 PM

I was surprised at how easily Chuck dominated Tito in this fight. Sure Chuck is a great fighter, but Tito seemed to be in the best shape/mental place he's ever been, and he got destroyed as far as I'm concerned. The only reason (that I could tell) that the fight went more than one round is Chuck allowed it to. His striking/takedown defence is insanely good... I think the only thing that will take Lidell down in the next year or two will be his own age (36 already I think?).

SeeGeeWhy · 01-02-2007, 03:18 PM

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I was surprised at how easily Chuck dominated Tito in this fight. Sure Chuck is a great fighter, but Tito seemed to be in the best shape/mental place he's ever been, and he got destroyed as far as I'm concerned. The only reason (that I could tell) that the fight went more than one round is Chuck allowed it to. His striking/takedown defence is insanely good... I think the only thing that will take Lidell down in the next year or two will be his own age (36 already I think?).

Tito looked like he was thinking way too hard during that fight, then once his eye got cut he had to protect it... which basically took him right out of it as he leads with his left side.

On the other hand, Liddell was automatic. Defending against the takedown, getting in and out with quick, effective strikes. I mean, there was one time where Chuck jumped in, hit Tito in the head, and then jumped out of the way all in the time it took Tito to get half way through one of his punches, it was un real. Liddel was in a different time zone by the time his punch followed through.

They weren't even in the same league that night, but at the same time you cannot dispute that Tito was obviously in great shape and conditioning. He was probably able to continue fighting when it was called, but he was so tenative in every aspect that Herb just ended it... great call by a great ref.

IMO, being physically prepared is only one dimension to a good training regime. He should've been more prepared in being able to get Chuck to the ground, where he would've improved his chances to win. Something basic like that should be automatic... whereas Tito looked like he was trying to solve the crisis in the middle east when he was looking for an opening.

MrMastodonFarm · 01-02-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by habernac

St Pierre struck by the injury bug again:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Fighting/U...134982-cp.html

****, that's really too bad. The card doesn't really need GSP on it... Silva, Cro Cop, Rampage but it's a predictable card and having bto those title defences on it would have been nice. Maybe it gets pushed back to an Ultimate fight night and a guy like heath Herring gets put on the PPV.. UFC has alot of optionsn ow.