Surreal footage of Canadians in Afghanistan

[metallicat]

You're arguing semantics for no reason longsuffering. Canadian troops, wearing a Canadian uniform, are dying because they have been called to duty by Canada, and for that they are true heroes.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Wow ... that's all I can say is wow. So if WWI didn't have a point (although millions of people would disagree) what is the point of the the war in Afghanistan? Is it to spread democracy, or end terrorism , or is it to prop up the corrupt puppet government and ensure the worlds supply of heroin is secure?

That is so priceless.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Wow ... that's all I can say is wow. So if WWI didn't have a point (although millions of people would disagree) what is the point of the the war in Afghanistan? Is it to spread democracy, or end terrorism , or is it to prop up the corrupt puppet government and ensure the worlds supply of heroin is secure?

You are unreal.....yup that is why we are fighting in Afganistan. I am sure the current Afghani government is way more corrupt than the Taliban....yup.

[killer_carlson]

People in Canada are getting sucked into G.W. Bush's linkage of the war in Afganistan with the war in Iraq. Bush does this so he can paint the whole region with the same brush and milk sept 11 for all he can. I'm surprised Canadians are falling for it.

The war in Afganistan is a peace making effort. The Taliban was a University borne movement that took woman's rights and diversity and flushed it down the toilet. This is a regime that declared open war and attacked our neighbour and supported the destruction of the western way of life. The UN sanctioned military action against Afghanistan. NATO did the same. This is not something that Canada should ignore. This is a legitmate effort. Would we prefer it to be a Peacekeeping, and a rebuilding effort? Of course. The problem is that the country isn't at a stage where that can happen yet. It won't be for years, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth doing.

Iraq is a whole other story. I think the criticisms there are aboslutely fair game and I wouldn't support Canada being there. I actually supported the Liberal position of "not without a UN resolution".

Bottom line is that it really makes me shake my head when people dump on the efforts in afghanistan for reasons that are more appropriately directed at the US war in Iraq. take a step back and realize the two are completely different. I wonder if the Conservatives will come out and draw this distinction in the next election. I think they will have to in order to win, but to do so will also risk damaging the repairs in the relationship to the US that were destroyed by Cretin and the former government. It will be interesting to watch.

I don't mind Jack Layton taking the position he is doing on this issue either (for what it is worth). I think he is totally wrong mind you, but I do think it is essential that there is someone occupying that side of the argument at the national level, and someone who is in that role early and consistantly. The Conservatives have their position as well. The Libs flip flop whereever the wind blows, but I do think it is important to have the discussion so we maintain the proper perspective.

Our troops rock and I support them 100% in anything they do.

[Jayems]

another cap from the Panjawi fighting

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6331e598e

[Azure]

It tells me the media item has been removed.

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Jayems

another cap from the Panjawi fighting

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6331e598e

Liveleak is a spin-off from the gory, revolting, sadist former site known as ogrish.com - which was abolished. Since it is a cousin of the former site it is heavily censored, and I imagine that is why that has been removed.

[Abandoned]

I dont know much about war but all i know is that killing people and other living creatures is just wrong. I see no sincere way to justify take another living creatures life away.

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

Liveleak is a spin-off from the gory, revolting, sadist former site known as ogrish.com - which was abolished. Since it is a cousin of the former site it is heavily censored, and I imagine that is why that has been removed.

Oh... i just copied a link.

Sorry.

PS: Its not gory at all, just shooting.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Abandoned

I dont know much about war but all i know is that killing people and other living creatures is just wrong. I see no sincere way to justify take another living creatures life away.

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

"They're shooting at us, they're shooting at us."

"Well shoot back."

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Abandoned

I dont know much about war but all i know is that killing people and other living creatures is just wrong. I see no sincere way to justify take another living creatures life away.

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

What happens when someone threatens your life? You just sit back and let them kill you?

[Abandoned]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

What happens when someone threatens your life? You just sit back and let them kill you?

No that is not what i meant, what i meant is that in my opinion war is wrong , killing other people is wrong , etc

Everyone has the right to protect them selves but look back and you/they must of done something to trigger the situation, well most of the time.

If i was to say i was the next Gandhi I'd be lying, frankly i just to have the proper shaped head to go with the bald look.

And they wouldn't be shooting at us if we weren't there anyways , don't get be wrong i support are troops to no end , they are very brave people.

I hope everyone comes back safe but unfortunately that doesn't allways happen .

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Abandoned

I see no sincere way to justify take another living creatures life away.

Food?

[CaptainCrunch]

An interesting story hit the papers today about a Sarge that left wounded Canadian's behind on September 20th and fled the battle.

The DND basically kicked the guy out of the military and didn't persue legal action after the fact.

Back in the days of WWII and probably even up to Korea for Canada, they could shoot you for desertion.

[WesternCanadaKing]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Keeping in mind that once one side starts invading other countries whether or not a war should or could have been avoided is moot. Should Britain and its Allies just handed Europe over to the Central Powers?

WWI was a war fought for democracy or the principles of democracy versus autocracy - the Allied countries being democracies (except Russia) and the Central Powers being Autocracies.

You'd better hit the history books again young feller.

Actually, the fact that in the end the countries in the war were democracies vs. dictorships seems pretty coincidental. Russia was not a democracy at the time, or anything close to it, yet they fought Germany right along with us (until pulling out after the Russian Revolution). WWI was fought because of Bismarck's foreign policy that pitted countries against eachother, such as Russia and Austria over land in the Balkans, and attempted to do it with France and England over land in Africa but ended up having the opposite effect. Things started going sour once Russia wised up that Germany was not supporting Russia's interests in the Balkans, they became extremely suspicious. And once Germany refused Russia a loan to help them industrialize, France rushed in with investors, and bam, you have your 2 different alliances. Britain and France created because of Germany's failed attempts to pit them against eachother in Africa, along with Russia because Germany alienated them, and Germany and Austria Hungary, friends only because everyone else had left them out to dry.

The assassination of Franz Ferdinand is what set it all off, as Austria declared war on Serbia and Russia rushed in to defend the Slavic nation, so Germany declared war on Russia for attacking Austria, so France declared war on Germany, and since Germany attacked France through Belgium England was forced to declare war.

Of course, the causes for WWI are not this simple and reach back as far as the French Revolution in 1792, and the Congress of Vienna after Napolean. But fight for democracy? It certainly doesn't seem like it.

ED: Sorry, I've been studying WWI extensively and have been looking for an excuse to use my new found knowledge.