QMJHL Player 'fired for not signing flag for troops'

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Ok... so what about my company, what if they want me to sign a flag to send to Afganistan, and if I refuse, I'm fired. That sounds right/fair to you? Even if its a 'public event' for the company? Sounds like wrongful dismissal to me...

If you're an employee you'd probably have a case.
If you were a contract employee, you can pretty much be sent packing for any reason so you probably wouldn't have a case.
If the QMJHL were professional, the players would all be on contract so they wouldn't have a case.
The Q players aren't any sort of employee so they don't have any case.
In an entertainment business such as Major Junior hockey, the players have a responsibility to not act in a way that can tarnish the image of the team (hence alienating fans). This kid didn't do that, so they have every right to send him packing.

[eazyduzzit]

Originally Posted by Looger

because the whole situation is so godamn ridiculous that if you really believe we're there to 'fight radical islam', then you're past the ability to debate, you're past the ability to reason.

I believe we are there to do that, amoung other things. Secure the region, give the Afghans freedom and the peace they deserve and help that country get out of it's "3rd world" status.

If you think "our troops are dying in a corporate war, to airdrop in the WTO, the UN, and the world bank into yet another country and to give western corporations access to 4~5 trillion $ of central asian oil, not to mention the natural gas." then you are clearly the one who has past his "ability".

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

A hockey team is a private buisness, if it requires its employees to sign the flag they either have to or take it to court.

I find it hard to believe that when he signed his contract he agreed that it will be a part of his job to sign the flag as well.

[TimSJ]

he was going to be released over the xmas break anyway... this just moved it up a few days.. according to the GM on the radio here a few minutes ago anyways..

[the_hound]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

I find it hard to believe that when he signed his contract he agreed that it will be a part of his job to sign the flag as well.

And he has to sing the anthem at every game too or else it's a paddle'n !

[Looger]

Originally Posted by eazyduzzit

If you think "our troops are dying in a corporate war, to airdrop in the WTO, the UN, and the world bank into yet another country and to give western corporations access to 4~5 trillion $ of central asian oil, not to mention the natural gas." then you are clearly the one who has past his "ability".

interesting.

so, why did we invade the country only after pipeline talks had broken down with the taliban?

why was the US the #1 funder of the taliban, even in 2001?

why were british troops and american special forces in position in neighbouring countries before 9/11 ready to strike?

ah, it must ALL be because i "seem to be another one of those individuals who blames all problems on oil".

i'd be mad if i wasn't filled with so much pity for you, it's quite sad. faced with the internal conflict and the subconcious knowledge, forced to insult others on internet message boards to vent a little frustration. sad sad sad.

oh, and you can post your reply in some other thread. <thread link>

of course believing whether the troops have a right to be there is relevant, i mean how can it not be?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Looger

interesting.

so, why did we invade the country only after pipeline talks had broken down with the taliban?

why was the US the #1 funder of the taliban, even in 2001?

why were british troops and american special forces in position in neighbouring countries before 9/11 ready to strike?

ah, it must ALL be because i "seem to be another one of those individuals who blames all problems on oil".

i'd be mad if i wasn't filled with so much pity for you, it's quite sad. faced with the internal conflict and the subconcious knowledge, forced to insult others on internet message boards to vent a little frustration. sad sad sad.

oh, and you can post your reply in some other thread. <thread link>

of course believing whether the troops have a right to be there is relevant, i mean how can it not be?

Clearly this is all related to some kid in the Q getting kicked off his team.

[the_hound]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Clearly this is all related to some kid in the Q getting kicked off his team.

Why did he get kicked off the team ??

[Flame Of Liberty]

Looger, if you think that the US wages its wars just because of oil&gas, then why do they pick tough opponents (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan) when it would be much easier to defeat Qatar, United arab emirates or Kuwait? They could just walk into Qatar and beat everyone up with a stick, why bother with armies and guerrila?

[the_hound]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Looger, if you think that the US wages its wars just because of oil&gas, then why do they pick tough opponents (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan) when it would be much easier to defeat Qatar, United arab emirates or Kuwait? They could just walk into Qatar and beat everyone up with a stick, why bother with armies and guerrila?

Because they can't justify to the other nations invading the former stated nations. Where if you can potray some peoples as "evil", then the world views you as some sort of "hero".

What ever happened to that policy of isolationism the USA used to fall back on? They only ever do things overseas nowadays if it benifits them somehow in the long run.

[worth]

http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefe...&mp;ctg=policy

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by the_hound

Why did he get kicked off the team ??

I don't think we really know why he got kicked off the team.

It's a flag from a junior team that the troops have probably never even heard of. It's not like some guy in Afghanistan would look at the flag and say "hey, Bouchard didn't sign it, he must disagree with the mission, that son of a bitch" .

The coach of that team sounds like a real piece of work -- a real dumb piece of work. And he's petty to boot. Why not just cut the guy? What's the point of dragging his name through the mud? Nice way to treat a teenager.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Looger, if you think that the US wages its wars just because of oil&gas, then why do they pick tough opponents (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan) when it would be much easier to defeat Qatar, United arab emirates or Kuwait? They could just walk into Qatar and beat everyone up with a stick, why bother with armies and guerrila?

it's not one country, 'the US', involved here, plain and simple.

iraq, iran, and afghanistan are the countries that don't play ball with western corporate oil interests.

saudi arabia, pakistan, and many gulf states lead the world in the overt support of islamic terror, but they let the right companies into their countries.

also, kuwaiti etc. interests are on many levels the same interests involved here, the same corporate structure. it's an international setup, the US is simply the fall guy worldwide for what the leaders of many countries endorse, even while they publicly decry the invasions and occupations.

[moncton golden flames]

This kind of reminds me of the whole Carlos Delgado vs God Bless America fiasco. Yes, he eventually caved and gave in to the general publics opinion, but he sacrificed what he believes in to appease the fans. When athletes or others, are forced to believe what others believe and not what they feel is important to them, its a sad day. "You can believe anything you want, as long as we approve of it" is a disgusting way to operate.

I would not have signed the flag at all. Am I against our troops being in the middle east? you bet, I respect them individually for following thru with their commitment to our military (canoes and sling shots) But that doesnt mean I have to support Canadian Foreign Policy on the issue.

And yes, as Looger has said several times.....its about OIL, MONEY & POWER...why else would USA be so involved?

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by the_hound

Because they can't justify to the other nations invading the former stated nations. Where if you can potray some peoples as "evil", then the world views you as some sort of "hero".

What ever happened to that policy of isolationism the USA used to fall back on? They only ever do things overseas nowadays if it benifits them somehow in the long run.

Well according to geniuses like Looger who busted their secret plans, the US cannot justify its actions against Iraq or Afghanistan (or pretty much any action at all) either. So again, why bother? I thought the US&sionist world conspiracy leaders do not care what other nations think?

[Flashpoint]

The war has nothing to do with it.

This issue is one of a major junior player not doing what he is told. If he was told to go out and kill a penalty, and he said “no” he would be kicked off the team too.

Regardless of what his personal belief is regarding penalties.

When you run a hockey team, you get to make decisions that will affect your players. Democracy doesn’t extend to the locker room.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by the_hound

Why did he get kicked off the team ??

Exactly. Discuss why he got kicked off the team, not your own views about the war (As has been done in way too many thread already).

The thread is about if/why a team should be able to kick a player off the team for not signing a flag. Everyone's view as to the reasoning behind the war is really irrelevant.

[eazyduzzit]

Originally Posted by Looger

interesting.

so, why did we invade the country only after pipeline talks had broken down with the taliban?

why was the US the #1 funder of the taliban, even in 2001?

why were british troops and american special forces in position in neighbouring countries before 9/11 ready to strike?

ah, it must ALL be because i "seem to be another one of those individuals who blames all problems on oil".

i'd be mad if i wasn't filled with so much pity for you, it's quite sad. faced with the internal conflict and the subconcious knowledge, forced to insult others on internet message boards to vent a little frustration. sad sad sad.

oh, and you can post your reply in some other thread. <thread link>

of course believing whether the troops have a right to be there is relevant, i mean how can it not be?

There is no point trying to get into an anti-US debate with me because i stand with you on that one. With reguards to the support of Al Quada, the Taliban and the US Administrations support for the Saddam regieme. I consider all of these as proxy wars, in relation to the US opposition of the Soviet Union at the time as well as the opposition to Iran. More so of a strategy to get someone else to fight your war for you. The Taliban has never been an ally to the United States, it was simply used to combat soviet infleunce so the United States did not have to. The fact of the matter is, these countries, factions and groups looked like viable options at the time for whatever reasons, but to sit here and insinuate there is still some sort of conspiracy is just ridiculous. Allys can be allys one minute and emenys the next.

Nevertheless, anyone who thinks our soldiers aren't there to bring freedom to the Afghans, stabalize that country to prevent it from going into turmoil and preventing the ability for Al Quada to operate freely in that country, to plan future attacks on global targets - Canada included - is just brainwashed.

As for personal insults, where? I simply fired what you said to me, right back at you. What goes around comes around.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Well according to geniuses like Looger who busted their secret plans, the US cannot justify its actions against Iraq or Afghanistan (or pretty much any action at all) either. So again, why bother? I thought the US&sionist world conspiracy leaders do not care what other nations think?

if i was some genius that 'busted their secret plans', i'd sure feel like an idiot after spending all that time and effort to research it when all i would have had to do would be to read the publicly available plans and doctrines on think tank websites and in books like 'the grand chessboard' by brizhinski, chief of staff during 'operation cyclone' and the creation of al-CIA-da, where al these guys brag and go on and on aboot how clever they are.

jeez, the current crop of neocons publicly praise leo strauss for god's sake! mr. lie-to-the-public and constant-warfare himself!

yep, i'd sure feel like an idiot. good thing i just don't have to be a genius to 'piece this all together'.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I can't believe they didn't hang the guy. Or at least wound him for treason.

Those troops are over there protecting our freedoms and we all know that one of those freedoms is the freedom to be fired from your job for not declaring blind support for the government.

This is an interesting point that I'm not sure if everyone read or not. Curious about some views regarding it....