"big hurt" to the Jays??

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by WCE

If this deal goes through, I have to think that JP has given up hope on signing Vernon Wells to a new contract, will be shipped out for a pitcher.

Just a guess (if it is true).

That was my first thought as well. If not, then I really wonder what JP is doing, especially given the amount of money rumoured in the Thomas deal.

Either way, the Jays need pitching...........badly.

[Jiggy_12]

If he plays like he did last season, it'll help.

If he shows his age...terrible signing.

[KTown]

They should be spending some of this money on getting Lilly back,

He's an excellent #3 or 4 pitcher in a rotation. The #3,4,5 guys must win you 13-15 games, and Lilly can get that.

Burnett and Halladay should be 18-20 game winners.

JP is a moron.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, put me in the camp of those who think Wells must be heading out of town. Wells is good enough that he can be traded for pitching that isn't on the free agency market, and the Jays likely feel that an outfield of Johnson, Catalonotto, Rios, and Lind can get the job done, especially if they have a power bat like Thomas to DH every day. Still it does seem like a bit of an odd move. Looks like the Jays should have been talking to the Tigers about Wells.

[goodyear]

dear jp,

i think this is a good pick up. i look forward to having other talented and over compensated players on our team.

yours,

aj burnette & bj ryan

[Caged Great]

There's 3 reasons to like this signing.

1) We have one of the better DH's in the League and any time you can add a guy who can hit 30 HR a season its all good.

2) This frees up Riccardi to trade wells (who is asking for Beltran type $$) for a good pitcher to replace Lilly (I'd say resign him, but he's looking for 10 mil per....)

3) This allows Adam Lind, who looked pretty good late last year to be able play the outfield instead of being a DH.



Plus we don't know how much $$ that Rogers is putting into the team. By ditching Molina, Zaun, Cattalanotto, and Speier, it gave Riccardi 12.5 Million to play with on top of the extra that rogers is putting in. If he resigns Zaun for 3 million with the signing of Thomas, they will have only put on 500K. Molina Cat and Speier are not coming back (Maybe Cat but he may cost too much)

There's still a lot of $ to go around. Don't worry about it.

[Caged Great]

Also, Vincent Padilla and Randy Wolf have both been contacted by the Jays. If the both sign for 7 mil per, our rotation looks like this

Halladay
Burnett
Padilla
Wolf
Chacin
(Marcum if need be)

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Also, Vincent Padilla and Randy Wolf have both been contacted by the Jays. If the both sign for 7 mil per, our rotation looks like this

Halladay
Burnett
Padilla
Wolf
Chacin
(Marcum if need be)

Can someone tell me more about those guys - I don't know much about them. Are they good enough to slot in at the #3 and 4 spots in a rotation?

[Sylvanfan]

Padilla is a pretty decent pitcher. Threw 200 innings for the Rangers last year and won 15 games posting a 4.5 ERA in a pretty hitter friendly stadium. He's 29 and a pretty hard throwing right hander. If he stays healthy and keeps his walks down he's pretty effective. Still 7 million for a guy like him tells you just how scarce pitching is.

Wolf is a left handed control type guy. Not sure if I'd want to give that much money to him as he doesn't have a track record for throwing a lot of innings and he's had some pretty high ERA's against the National League which isn't on par with the AL. But he's a left handed pitcher and anyone who's left handed with an 88 mile an hour fast ball and a curve ball will get a job in Baseball and be overpaid for it.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Can someone tell me more about those guys - I don't know much about them. Are they good enough to slot in at the #3 and 4 spots in a rotation?

Randy Wolf used to be a good starter but has had some injury problems the last two years but has gone 10-4 over that time.

His career win loss record is 69-60 with a 4.21 ERA

Vincente Padilla won 15 games with the Rangers this year and has a career win loss record of 66-61 with a 4.06 ERA

Neither pitcher is going to amaze you with their stuff, but they will be decent pitchers.

By comparison Ted Lilly's record is 59-58 with a 4.60 ERA, so these guys are both better than him. Even if the Jays sign one of them, it will be an improvement. There's also other pitchers like Mulder that they could go after as well.

[flames_1987]

Jays also showing intrest in Rod Barajas. Free Agent Texas Catcher, price tag is only around 3 million for this guy. Solid catcher, good enough defense to be an everyday catcher, and a pretty cheap option in todays market.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by KTown

They should be spending some of this money on getting Lilly back,

He's an excellent #3 or 4 pitcher in a rotation. The #3,4,5 guys must win you 13-15 games, and Lilly can get that.

Burnett and Halladay should be 18-20 game winners.

JP is a moron.

Please, Lilly has talked all year about wanting to go back to the west coast. Many Jay "anaylists" said that there was little chance the Jays would bring Lilly back. An excellent #3 pitcher? Pleeasseeeee

[JiriHrdina]

Latest rumor on bluejayway is Wells and Dustin McGowan are going to the Red Sox for Jon Lester and Coco Crisp.

[goodyear]

why should they sign thomas instead of wells?

vernon wells along with doc is the franchise...fans can identify with these guys

wells is not even 30 yet and still has lots of baseball in him...forget the big hurt, sign the franchise...pay him beltran type money

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Latest rumor on bluejayway is Wells and Dustin McGowan are going to the Red Sox for Jon Lester and Coco Crisp.

Ewwwww is the only response I have to that.

Dustin McGowan is first off not done as a major league pitcher, the guy is only 24 and still could be a valuable arm down the line. Second off, Vernon Wells is a franchise player. Gold glove CF with a heck of a bat.

Coco Crisp is an average CF. Lester could be a stud but if your giving up your franchise player to a divisional rival no less, the guy better be a sure stud in this league. I really don't see any weight to this rumour

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by goodyear

why should they sign thomas instead of wells?

vernon wells along with doc is the franchise...fans can identify with these guys

wells is not even 30 yet and still has lots of baseball in him...forget the big hurt, sign the franchise...pay him beltran type money

Wells has to want to re-sign with the Jays to make it happen.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by goodyear

why should they sign thomas instead of wells?

vernon wells along with doc is the franchise...fans can identify with these guys

wells is not even 30 yet and still has lots of baseball in him...forget the big hurt, sign the franchise...pay him beltran type money

Jiri's response says it all

Also, this move does not mean that Vernon is on his way out. The Jays needed a DH and they got one.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, I don't know if Lester is enough of an upgrade on McGowan to take the down grade of Crisp. Problem is that only a handfull of teams can afford to give Wells the contract he'll demand. As a result the market for him is pretty limited, and the offers probably are just like this one. I think I'd almost prefer to keep Wells this year and than use the money the season after this to acquire another bat than take this offer.

Of course the Thomas thing isn't official yet is it?

[flames_1987]

Jiri, bluejayway a little slow for you too today? Geussing there's a ton of traffic there today

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

Jiri, bluejayway a little slow for you too today? Geussing there's a ton of traffic there today

Yeah, couldn't even get through much of the thread about the Wells rumor - gave up after a while.