Bad Behaviour Bylaw

[looooob]

Under the bylaw, which will come into effect if approved next Monday, fines would range from $50 for carrying a visible knife or standing on public benches or sculptures to $300 for urinating or defecating in public

am I the only one that doesn't really view brandishing a knife in public and standing on a park bench to be equivalent offences?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Its obviously CalgaryPucks fault...they read the Drunken Antics thread.

City council moved ahead with the bylaw yesterday that would impose fines for those caught brawling, spitting, loitering, defecating or urinating in public after meeting with the city's law department behind closed doors.

Wait! Its all Reapers fault...send out the lynching party!

I'm offended by your statement. I've never pooped in public! No comment on the rest of your accusations...

[Looger]

canada is an excellent example of a whole bunch of really opressive laws and statutes just waiting for an excuse.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Looger

canada is an excellent example of a whole bunch of really opressive laws and statutes just waiting for an excuse.

In California, you can't bathe two kids in the tub at the same time.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Shazam

In California, you can't bathe two kids in the tub at the same time.

I would have to say the USA has way more obsurd laws then Canada....simply because each state can implement criminal law.

[Shazam]

Here's more silly laws. I have no idea if these are true or not.

http://www.main.com/~anns/other/humor/sillylaws.html

[Tron_fdc]

Under the bylaw, which will come into effect if approved next Monday, fines would range from $50 for carrying a visible knife or standing on public benches or sculptures to $300 for urinating or defecating in public

I'm assuming police would be able to substitute "standing" with "sleeping" in order to arrest all the mountain men congregating along the riverbanks. I'm almost on a first name basis with the ones sleeping on the Elbow park benches.

[The Goon]

Fortunately, they don't mention masturbating in public. I'm safe!

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I'm assuming police would be able to substitute "standing" with "sleeping" in order to arrest all the mountain men congregating along the riverbanks.

for future reference, i believe the correct term is:

'Bow River Hawaiians'.

i have no idea why this is so funny but ever since it was related to me whenever i think of it i snicker.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by The Goon

Fortunately, they don't mention masturbating in public. I'm safe!

Techincally that could count as spitting.

[Phaneuf3]

if they're going to start handing out tickets for public urination - they damn well better introduce some public toilets - especially downtown/at train stations...

of course these would probably create a TON of other crime - muggings, drug deals and such... so, to hell with this law.

[Jayems]

Am I the only one totally grossed out when you walk down the sidewalk, and you have to dodge huge green loogies? I want to barf... its even nastier when you see the culprit doing it...

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You can be charged under the criminal code as per Causing a Disturbance for swearing. Check it out.

175. (1) Every one who
(a) not being in a dwelling-house, causes a disturbance in or near a public place,
(i) by fighting, screaming, shouting, swearing, singing or using insulting or obscene language,
(ii) by being drunk, or
(iii) by impeding or molesting other persons,
(b) openly exposes or exhibits an indecent exhibition in a public place,
(c) loiters in a public place and in any way obstructs persons who are in that place, or
(d) disturbs the peace and quiet of the occupants of a dwelling-house by discharging firearms or by other disorderly conduct in a public place or who, not being an occupant of a dwelling-house comprised in a particular building or structure, disturbs the peace and quiet of the occupants of a dwelling-house comprised in the building or structure by discharging firearms or by other disorderly conduct in any part of a building or structure to which, at the time of such conduct, the occupants of two or more dwelling-houses comprised in the building or structure have access as of right or by invitation, express or implied,
is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Very good point.

Difference being, in this case, the act of swearing (likely continuously and aggressively) is causing a threatening disturbance to others. The basic tenet of freedom... your freedom ends where mine begins.

This bi-law is essentially saying you can't say these words... which is wrong. This bi-law assumes that even if no one is threatened by my actions, I am in the wrong because its not the classy thing to do. Its not about classiness, its about safety.

And that (to the best of my knowledge) is why Sec. 175(1) can exist, and this new bi-law can't. There are definitely charter implications to this one though... they even mentioned it on the news yesterday.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Techincally that could count as spitting.

Not if you do it enough.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Am I the only one totally grossed out when you walk down the sidewalk, and you have to dodge huge green loogies? I want to barf... its even nastier when you see the culprit doing it...

Nope. Grosses me out too. It's the nasal noises people make that start out the heebie-jeebies for me.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Am I the only one totally grossed out when you walk down the sidewalk, and you have to dodge huge green loogies? I want to barf... its even nastier when you see the culprit doing it...

a little loogie never hurt anyone...

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Very good point.

Difference being, in this case, the act of swearing (likely continuously and aggressively) is causing a threatening disturbance to others. The basic tenet of freedom... your freedom ends where mine begins.

This bi-law is essentially saying you can't say these words... which is wrong. This bi-law assumes that even if no one is threatened by my actions, I am in the wrong because its not the classy thing to do. Its not about classiness, its about safety.

And that (to the best of my knowledge) is why Sec. 175(1) can exist, and this new bi-law can't. There are definitely charter implications to this one though... they even mentioned it on the news yesterday.

No where in S. 175(1)(i) does it say threatening. Infact it says you can be charged if you are singing. You must have interpreted it wrong.

[shoestring]

I thought spitting was a sporting event.


That will be tough; but I beat the cigarette butt thing a few years ago. I stuff the filters in my pocket till I get to a garbage.

A friend ,who fishes a lot, was with me and we were drinking a pop over at the Bow, it started pouring rain then quit after five minutes or so.
Over the next half hour thousands of cigarette butts come pouring out of downtown Calgary,disgusting.
Fish don't consider them a food source,.... appearently.
Butts would survive a nuclear holocaust.
I tell everybody that butts are the reason for the decline of Polar Bears around the Hudson's Bay.

I guess I should quit, but I want Public Ashtrays and Smoking Places ;alongside the washrooms, with couches and TV's implemented first.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

No where in S. 175(1)(i) does it say threatening. Infact it says you can be charged if you are singing. You must have interpreted it wrong.

Doesn't have to say it... its very clearly a public safety law. I've seen it referred to as such by police and lawyers.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Superfraggle

One other thing that just caught my eye...carrying a visible knife. Obviously in many cases this is a bad thing, but I have a knife on my PFD, for example...it's a safety thing (for things like rope entanglements, not other paddlers). Under this bylaw, couldn't they technically fine me for that?

Do you cruise around wearing a pfd? Head out to supper at Red Lobster with the fam sportin' a blue and red Buoy o' Buoy?

Seriously though.

Dear City,

Homeless people don't have money to pay tickets.

Signed,
Citizens wishing you would stop wasting time with stupid rules.

PS.
Giving transit cops (all 4 of them) the ability to enforce the law on 7th ave is a good idea.