Political Junkies: Predictions for U.S. Mid-Terms?

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You'd actually vote for a party that blundered and lied it's way into a major war and led the world into a worse situation or are you just saying that the average voter would?

Yep. Your post is just a perfect example of the whiny over the top blather they have put out. Whining about the war is lame. What is their alternative to fix/win it?

IF I was down there and a Republican you would have to do far more than show the same whiny side as always to get me to change my vote.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Yep. Your post is just a perfect example of the whiny over the top blather they have put out. Whining about the war is lame. What is their alternative to fix/win it?

IF I was down there and a Republican you would have to do far more than show the same whiny side as always to get me to change my vote.

You like throwing around the insults but didn't answer my question.
Straight up, would you vote Republican or not.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Yep. Your post is just a perfect example of the whiny over the top blather they have put out. Whining about the war is lame. What is their alternative to fix/win it?

You can't fix/win it. The US has lost it, its just a matter of how they want to lose, long and hard or fast and easy. There were people saying the Vietnam War could be won right up until the last Huey left Saigon with people hanging from its landing pods. The longer the US stays there the more disasterous it gets for them. Funny how whining = recognizing reality.

[Lurch]

Scandals -- who cares --there are always scandals and amongst both party's

IRAQ -- whining about why it started is to me just lame -- how do you move forward? Heard zip from the Dem's there.

Economy -- rolling along and future looks good as well

Scandals lost the election for the Liberals in Canada. Were you among the "who cares" crowd for these.

US economy is actually in rough shape, and I'm not sure where you get the idea it is not. GDP growth has slowed each of the past 3 quarters, and now is about half of potential. (1.6% growth in Q3). The housing boom is over and there is a looming disaster when this works its way through the economy. Personal debt levels will probably put a damper on future growth as well, as the US economy is heavily consumer dependant.

Iraq: I doubt few voters care about why it started, but Republicans have certainly shown they can't manage the act of it.

Simple fact is since Republicans have controlled all three elected branches, they have to run on their record. Dems have the same luxury the Conservatives had here in Canada - the current group is a disaster.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Yep. Your post is just a perfect example of the whiny over the top blather they have put out. Whining about the war is lame. What is their alternative to fix/win it?

IF I was down there and a Republican you would have to do far more than show the same whiny side as always to get me to change my vote.

So what you're telling me is that the only reason to vote Republican is out of apathy. Nice.

As for the other argument, I've never understood why the big knock on the Dems is not having a plan for Iraq. Know who else doesn't have a plan in Iraq? The president. Somehow, that's a bigger problem to me, since he's the one who got the U.S. into that mess.

Your logic is asinine: it's as though someone came into my house and took a dump on the carpet and then pointed to me and said "well, YOU don't seem to have a plan for fixing it!"

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You like throwing around the insults but didn't answer my question.
Straight up, would you vote Republican or not.

You don't listen well -- another Democratic party lover trait?

I will say it again for you --try and tune in--If I was Republican the rubbish presented so far by the Dem's wouldn't have convinced me to change my vote.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

So what you're telling me is that the only reason to vote Republican is out of apathy. Nice.

As for the other argument, I've never understood why the big knock on the Dems is not having a plan for Iraq. Know who else doesn't have a plan in Iraq? The president. Somehow, that's a bigger problem to me, since he's the one who got the U.S. into that mess.

Your logic is asinine: it's as though someone came into my house and took a dump on the carpet and then pointed to me and said "well, YOU don't seem to have a plan for fixing it!"

Hmm apathy. Where did I mention that. My logic is ? and yours is inventive obviously. Your post is what --fabrication and continued whining. Like I said if all you can do is whine why should a Republican change his vote? Will he listen to what has been said and say -- Yep sure looks like the Dem's have a better plan( for IRAQ and anything else although that seems like all they have campaigned on-- at least what is in the news).

So nope I hear a whole lot of whining and it amounts to little more than let me go to the Senate etc. instead of him. Meanwhile you have moderate Republicans who even voted against the war who are some of the most likely candidates to lose. Based on what?

On whining. I wouldn't change my vote because of whiners --Sorry but you would have to actually convince me with your own policy!!!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

You don't listen well -- another Democratic party lover trait?

I will say it again for you --try and tune in--If I was Republican the rubbish presented so far by the Dem's wouldn't have convinced me to change my vote.

Still tap dancing eh Johnny.
Lets have none of this 'if' stuff.
Be a man and tell us who you'd vote for.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Lurch

Scandals lost the election for the Liberals in Canada. Were you among the "who cares" crowd for these.

US economy is actually in rough shape, and I'm not sure where you get the idea it is not. GDP growth has slowed each of the past 3 quarters, and now is about half of potential. (1.6% growth in Q3). The housing boom is over and there is a looming disaster when this works its way through the economy. Personal debt levels will probably put a damper on future growth as well, as the US economy is heavily consumer dependant.

Iraq: I doubt few voters care about why it started, but Republicans have certainly shown they can't manage the act of it.

Simple fact is since Republicans have controlled all three elected branches, they have to run on their record. Dems have the same luxury the Conservatives had here in Canada - the current group is a disaster.

Well I have heard in the last little while the that US economy is showing many promising signs. In fact last night they had a panel on Larry King and one of the questions that they discussed was whether the good economic news would help the Rep's. Also asked was the importance of scandals.

Watched a couple of other programs over the weekend where same topics were discussed and all of them said economy was good but the war was an overiding issue. Plus all of them said the scandals were having a very limited effect except in a certain few races.

I personally don't see why voters would switch. I'm hearing on the news that not many will and that it will depend entirely on whose supporters turn out.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

You don't listen well -- another Democratic party lover trait?

Actually, you don't make your clear and concise points and resort to obfuscation. A Republican party lover trait!

I will say it again for you --try and tune in--If I was Republican the rubbish presented so far by the Dem's wouldn't have convinced me to change my vote.

And as someone living in the country and having to see the never ending damage done by the Republicans, ANYTHING else is worth a try at this point. The GOP is great at pointing out the fact that the Democrats don't have an exit strategy for Iraq, but they fail to acknowledge they haven't had one since they decided to go in, on September 11th, 2001. All the strategy they had went out the window when the parades and processions of flower tossing virgins on the streets of Iraq didn't materialize. The one thing the GOP keeps nattering on and on about is the lame idea of breaking Iraq into three ethnic regions, which is so flawed that it will lead to more unrest and destabilization in the region (I'm begining to think this was their main goal from day one). The Repubicans have done nothing but line the pockets of those in the industrial military complex and the investment/banking industry. Beyond that, its been a disaster for the average American.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Still tap dancing eh Johnny.
Lets have none of this 'if' stuff.
Be a man and tell us who you'd vote for.

I've stuck precisely to what I said --- You are too dumb to pick that up -- Not my problem.

Respond however you wish. I'm going to debate those with a point!!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Respond however you wish. I'm going to debate those with a point!!

Good thing you don't try debating with yourself.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Hmm apathy. Where did I mention that.

You didn't. That was my inference. You did say you'd vote for the guy who took a dump on your carpet just because the other guy doesn't own a steam cleaner. Not very sound political thinking, in my view.


What's weirder is that you've trotted out this "there's no difference" argument in a bunch of threads--and always in the service of keeping the status quo. It can hardly be an accident that you say that disaffection would keep you from voting for the Democrats, but wouldn't stop you from re-electing this gong show of a GOP government.

It's almost like you're not actually apathetic at all, but actually a right-winger. THAT couldn't be true, could it?

[Vulcan]

Actually Lanny, I'm beginning to wonder if the GOP plan to stay in Iraq and at war in perpetuity. It lines their pockets and keeps the fear threshold up so they can pass their legislation.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Actually, you don't make your clear and concise points and resort to obfuscation. A Republican party lover trait!



And as someone living in the country and having to see the never ending damage done by the Republicans, ANYTHING else is worth a try at this point. The GOP is great at pointing out the fact that the Democrats don't have an exit strategy for Iraq, but they fail to acknowledge they haven't had one since they decided to go in, on September 11th, 2001. All the strategy they had went out the window when the parades and processions of flower tossing virgins on the streets of Iraq didn't materialize. The one thing the GOP keeps nattering on and on about is the lame idea of breaking Iraq into three ethnic regions, which is so flawed that it will lead to more unrest and destabilization in the region (I'm begining to think this was their main goal from day one). The Repubicans have done nothing but line the pockets of those in the industrial military complex and the investment/banking industry. Beyond that, its been a disaster for the average American.

Really Lanny. So partioning of IRAQ is a Republican Party platform is it? You mean like those famous Republicans Biden and Gelb?

I love your clear and concise reasoning though. Let's see the new slogan for the Dem's conceived by their new public relations man Lanny :

We are as LAME as the Republicans : Vote for change in Washington!!!!

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Good thing you don't try debating with yourself.

Well certainly seem to be holding my own with you LOL.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

I've stuck precisely to what I said --- You are too dumb to pick that up -- Not my problem.

Respond however you wish. I'm going to debate those with a point!!

I understand what you've said but you won't come clean on what you believe in. If you have no beliefs of your own, you're merely a talking parrot.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Well certainly seem to be holding my own with you LOL.

Really. Every time we get into Iraq and the resolution to the problem you tend to disappear pretty quickly. Seems that when we actually start getting itno the nuts and bolts of the region and the ethnic alignment you disappear. Stick to driving Johnny. The only time you "hold your own" is when you're standing in front of a urinal!

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

You didn't. That was my inference. You did say you'd vote for the guy who took a dump on your carpet just because the other guy doesn't own a steam cleaner. Not very sound political thinking, in my view.


What's weirder is that you've trotted out this "there's no difference" argument in a bunch of threads--and always in the service of keeping the status quo. It can hardly be an accident that you say that disaffection would keep you from voting for the Democrats, but wouldn't stop you from re-electing this gong show of a GOP government.

It's almost like you're not actually apathetic at all, but actually a right-winger. THAT couldn't be true, could it?

LOL just keep making it up. I didn't say your dump rubbish either.

I don't know how I can make it simpler for ya. IF I was a Republican you wouldn't have convinced me to change my vote.

Now you try hard and see if you can tell me why they should without whining. Try doing it without inventing(infering) what you think I've said. What I've said is directly above. Try addressing it -- betcha you won't be able to other than to just keep on whining!!!

[Agamemnon]

I don't get it... Democrats are complaining that US soldiers are being sent to die in a (losing) war predicated on a lie... and they're 'whining'? Seems like you made up your mind regardless of what the situation in Iraq is. Republicans are responsible for the fiasco... but because the Democrats are talking about it, they're whiners... nice.