"Muslim cabbies Want to Discriminate Against Customers"

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by WessThompson

easy solution...go back to the middle east and drive a damn cab there...

How do you know they're from the middle east in the first place?
There are Muslims born in the States

[Jayems]

Can somone fill me in on the St. Paul Twin City connection here... full of muslims? Christians..?

Never been.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Discriminating based on religion is illegal, discriminating based on sobriety is not.

But the family of the first persion killed by a drunk driver who tried to get a cab and failed because of this should sue the cabby into bankruptcy.

If this is what you think this is about....well...think again. They don't even want to accept people with closed bottles of alcohol....let alone drunk people.

They are in the USA not Afghanistan

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

How do you know they're from the middle east in the first place?
There are Muslims born in the States

It says they are Somali so maybe if they went back, they'd be driving camels.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

I don't really see what the problem is...

I mean, Christians deny people the right to get married because of their sexual orientation. Granted, I think it's wrong, but they're just following their religion. It's not like the cabbies are benefitting in any way from this, in fact it's the opposite. As much as it seems backwards, it's their religious beliefs and they have a right to practice it.

If anything, take this away from the story: don't visit the Twin Cities area... the only thing they got going for them is a huge mall (sound familiar?)...

Holy cow....do I get scared when I read stuff like this.
Plain and simple...it is racism in religious terms.

They move from a country that is non-tolerant and very closed...to a free and open country. Once they get here they want to change our country to their country. GET A GRIP.

Can you imagine the out roar if a white Christian decided to do something like this?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by WessThompson

easy solution...go back to the middle east and drive a damn cab there...

Exactly

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Holy cow....do I get scared when I read stuff like this.
Plain and simple...it is racism in religious terms.

They move from a country that is non-tolerant and very closed...to a free and open country. Once they get here they want to change our country to their country. GET A GRIP.

Can you imagine the out roar if a white Christian decided to do something like this?

You mean like if a white christian minority government tried to pass a law that would make this legal?

Ya, that would be totally crazy.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You mean like if a white christian minority government tried to pass a law that would make this legal?

Ya, that would be totally crazy.

I haven't had time to read the proposed legislation. If you have a link that would be great. But like I have said before regarding your posts about this.....this law would apply to ALL religions....not just Christianity. Muslims to not condone homosexuality nor do they believe in same sex marriage. This law would protect them just as much as as the Christians.

I am not a religious person....but I don't understand why you would want to force a group of people to BELIEVE in something they don't....and by not having this law to protect the church's beliefs...then that is what will happen.

Should a Muslim church be forced to conduct a Catholic marriage? No because they do not believe in Christianity. Catholic churches do not believe in same sex marriage. Fine, that is their choice, why force them to practice something they do not believe in?

Just so you know....I personally see no reason why gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry. I really don't care...but if a a church....any church does not want to do it because they do not believe in it...they should not be forced to.

[Phaneuf3]

i agree with this 100%. if its against their religion they shouldn't have to drive drunks/people carrying alcohol around.

its exactly like the church/gay marriage thing. most people in this debate on the 'church's side' are fine with the government marrying people - but the church feels it should have protection and freedom to marry only the couples that their religion says they can.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

i agree with this 100%. if its against their religion they shouldn't have to drive drunks/people carrying alcohol around.

its exactly like the church/gay marriage thing. most people in this debate on the 'church's side' are fine with the government marrying people - but the church feels it should have protection and freedom to marry only the couples that their religion says they can.

WHAT???

I cannot believe people.....

They are not forcing these people to DRINK!!!!!!!

Churchs are not banning gay people from attending church, they are simply saying they do not want to give holy sacrament to them as it is against their beliefs......Can you not tell the difference??????

Taxi cabs are services provided to the public. Yes they are private but they are essentially a public service. I can see your argument if someone was trying to bring a case of coors light into a mosque...but that is not the case. What next.....the city bus driver will be allowed to say who can and who can't get on the bus according to his beliefs?

WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?????????

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I was blown away by the post until I saw the author.

I'm not Christian, but let me be the first to tell you that there are millions of Christians who may not deny anybodys right to get married, regardless of the circumstances that you are trying to portray.

Secondly, cab drivers do not have the right to admit or deny business based on religious beliefs. There's laws they have to abide by.

Lastly, those who visit the TC's don't really have much choice about if they go St. Paul or not, and certainly don't based their travel decisions based on the behavior of cab drivers, regardless of their views.

And your blatent racist views do not surprise me in the least.

The cabbies are not descriminating against other religions - they are following their own religious beliefs. They aren't saying that because you're Christian or Hindu, you can not ride in the cab - BUT if you're doing something that goes against their beliefs, they should have the right to follow their religion. I'm sure that if a muslim was drinking, they would deny service to them as well. They are not doing this out of hatred of different cultures/relgions. They are doing this because they believe it is wrong. For example, according to the Christian faith, it is wrong to kill. Would you say that it is wrong for Christian cab drivers to deny fares to murderers? I can't believe how many people that have a problem understanding this.

There are no laws that can force the Catholic church to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies anywhere on the planet. You obviously have no idea what the Same-sex marriage bill consists of, or the lack thereof such a bill in the US. Why aren't you complaining about that? Because there are laws protecting people's rights, such as the right to follow your religious beliefs. You are just having a problem applying that to every religion, apparently.

I am not a religious person whatsoever, but everyone should have a right to follow their belief system. This to me seems elementary.

I was making a joke - you know, those things normal people laugh at - about Minniapolis. I've been there, it's a hole with the main attraction being the Mall of America. I'm sorry if you actually like that dump, but sometimes you need to embrace reality - not fear it.

[Igottago]

In order for our society to work we all have to make an effort to respect eachothers behaviour, within limits of the law. Our society permits people to drink if they wish. It also permits us to work where we want to. Our society does not and will never function under muslim laws. If these idiot cabbies are that offended by people who drink, they are in the wrong line of work. There should be no exemption. If you decide to bypass a customer, its your loss, otherwise suck it up and take the fare. And if you can't handle that, you're probably living in the wrong society. So **** off.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Holy cow....do I get scared when I read stuff like this.
Plain and simple...it is racism in religious terms.

They move from a country that is non-tolerant and very closed...to a free and open country. Once they get here they want to change our country to their country. GET A GRIP.

Can you imagine the out roar if a white Christian decided to do something like this?

Why would anybody in their right mind purposely be racist when it would clearly affect them financially? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

You need to learn how to be tolerant, tolerant to other people's religions, morals, races, etc... Not every Christian is white, and you're completely assuming that absolutely no Muslim is white. Your arguments are just showing out how blatently discrimatory you are.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

For example, according to the Christian faith, it is wrong to kill. Would you say that it is wrong for Christian cab drivers to deny fares to murderers? I can't believe how many people that have a problem understanding this.

I am not a religious person whatsoever, but everyone should have a right to follow their belief system. This to me seems elementary.

What? That's the worst logic i've ever seen. Not only do Christians deem killing to be wrong, our society and our laws do as well. Hopefully that murderer is only getting a ride in the back of a police car. On the other hand, people DO have the right to drink. They are NOT breaking a law. If that is offensive to a cab driver, fine. But don't expect some special exemption. Either accept you will lose fares, or get another job. Easy. They do have every right to follow their religion. But you can't expect our society to bend over backwards for them to do it.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

Would you say that it is wrong for Christian cab drivers to deny fares to murderers? I can't believe how many people that have a problem understanding this.

Last time I checked murder was illegal in the US, but carrying a sealed bottle of alcohol was not.

My problem is they chose to live in a country where most people do indeed consume alcohol, and to choose a profession that involves carrying people and their legal cargo.

If I was to move to another country, I would be sure to check out their customs before hand and make a choice; do the customs of that country offend me more than the benefits of moving to that country.

Let's say I wanted to move to a country, we will call it XYZ. And they have a custom of killing puppies by hanging them. (Sorry; just thought of something reprehensible to me.) If the benefits of moving to that country out weighed the puppy killing, and I decided to move there; I would certainly not get myself a job as a rope salesman.

Personally I cannot think of anything that out weighs the evil of the puppy killing, but that is also because we currently live in such a great country ourselves.

[badnarik]

if it's a private cab company, they shouldn't have to pick up anyone. perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to take up space in a public airport.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by Igottago

In order for our society to work we all have to make an effort to respect eachothers behaviour, within limits of the law. Our society permits people to drink if they wish. It also permits us to work where we want to. Our society does not and will never function under muslim laws. If these idiot cabbies are that offended by people who drink, they are in the wrong line of work. There should be no exemption. If you decide to bypass a customer, its your loss, otherwise suck it up and take the fare. And if you can't handle that, you're probably living in the wrong society. So **** off.

So we should all just assimilate? Plus, not EVERY Muslim is born in the Middle/Near East. Muslims are actually born here in North America too...

Wow, just wow.

Why can't you see that disallowing Muslims to follow their religious beliefs in whatever line of work they are in is discrimination? I thought the "new" world is supposed to be all about freedom. Freedom to express yourself, freedom from tyranny, freedom of religious beliefs. I guess it's a one-sided deal...

Everywhere you go, there seems to be a shortage of cab drivers. So, according to you, and apparently the majority of posters here, it would be better if we banned people from practising their religious beliefs and had a lot less cabs on the road... obviously you've never tried to get a cab Friday night.

Again, obviously these group of cab-drivers are not benefitting in any way, shape or form from this. It is actually HURTING them. Cab drivers probably aren't making six figures and could use whatever fare they could get - but it's morally wrong. What makes you think that money is so much more important than what they believe is right?

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What? That's the worst logic i've ever seen. Not only do Christians deem killing to be wrong, our society and our laws do as well. Hopefully that murderer is only getting a ride in the back of a police car. On the other hand, people DO have the right to drink. They are NOT breaking a law. If that is offensive to a cab driver, fine. But don't expect some special exemption. Either accept you will lose fares, or get another job. Easy. They do have every right to follow their religion. But you can't expect our society to bend over backwards for them to do it.

You're missing the point completely. I used that as an example, it might have been extreme, but the underlying theme is: if it's against your religion, why should you be forced to do it? What is this? Pre-occupied Iraq?

If you're so against freedom of religion, maybe it's YOU that is in the wrong society.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

If you're so against freedom of religion, maybe it's YOU that is in the wrong society.

It's not that people are against freedom of religion; it's that if somebody has certain beliefs; don't take up a job that might make you go against those beliefs.

As another example; if my religion says that gambling is evil, I wouldn't get myself a job working at a convenience store that also sells lottery tickets.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

And your blatent racist views do not surprise me in the least.

The cabbies are not descriminating against other religions - they are following their own religious beliefs. They aren't saying that because you're Christian or Hindu, you can not ride in the cab - BUT if you're doing something that goes against their beliefs, they should have the right to follow their religion. I'm sure that if a muslim was drinking, they would deny service to them as well. They are not doing this out of hatred of different cultures/relgions. They are doing this because they believe it is wrong. For example, according to the Christian faith, it is wrong to kill. Would you say that it is wrong for Christian cab drivers to deny fares to murderers? I can't believe how many people that have a problem understanding this.

There are no laws that can force the Catholic church to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies anywhere on the planet. You obviously have no idea what the Same-sex marriage bill consists of, or the lack thereof such a bill in the US. Why aren't you complaining about that? Because there are laws protecting people's rights, such as the right to follow your religious beliefs. You are just having a problem applying that to every religion, apparently.

I am not a religious person whatsoever, but everyone should have a right to follow their belief system. This to me seems elementary.

I was making a joke - you know, those things normal people laugh at - about Minniapolis. I've been there, it's a hole with the main attraction being the Mall of America. I'm sorry if you actually like that dump, but sometimes you need to embrace reality - not fear it.

Since I don't agree with your poorly thought out comments not only do I hate the environment but I'm also racist.

What you may not know is that part of the contract of having a taxi license is conditions in which you have to perform the service. IE if the cab is waiting at the westin for 2 hours, then the ride they get is a $4.00 fare they have to take it. They do not have the right to descriminate based on regious beliefs. If they don't respect the rules in which they operate, they don't have to like it, but as long as they drive a cab in Calgary they have rules to abide by.

Lastly, the right to express religious beliefs and practises is of course given to anyone, but that doesn't mean that you can apply those beliefs unconditionally in all situations.