Fire on Canadian Sub, Rescue Underway

[Cowperson]

Nine hurt on Canadian submarine. Lead story on BBC.com

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3717906.stm

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

9 injuries right on the shoulders of the Liberal Government, Eggleton and the ministry of defense.

Very nice boys, you should stand up and take a bow

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Worse than Thought

Looks like that fire was worse than originally thought. Damage to two decks, sounds like it melted a lot of the electricals onboard as well as a 2nd fire in an oxygen generator.

With 6-8 meter swells, that's going to be one seasick crew...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse@Oct 6 2004, 04:22 PM
Worse than Thought

Looks like that fire was worse than originally thought. Damage to two decks, sounds like it melted a lot of the electricals onboard as well as a 2nd fire in an oxygen generator.

With 6-8 meter swells, that's going to be one seasick crew...

A 2 deck fire is not a small or minor fire, its considered a major event. The fact that these guys are drifting in bad weather conditions with no propulsion worries me a lot.

I have to tell you that if I was a Canadian Submariner the first thing off of that boat when it got to Scotland would be my seabag, and I would never go back.

Usually in peacetimes electrical fires are caused by faulty wiring, not by some cook dropping his pot.

Its another thing that they're going to have to check on the other three boats, thus delaying thier deployment and forcing us to go way over budget.

Fun fact

The average payroll on a US aircraft carrier over a year is $89,700,000

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Oct 6 2004, 10:27 AM
A 2 deck fire is not a small or minor fire, its considered a major event. The fact that these guys are drifting in bad weather conditions with no propulsion worries me a lot.

I have to tell you that if I was a Canadian Submariner the first thing off of that boat when it got to Scotland would be my seabag, and I would never go back.

Usually in peacetimes electrical fires are caused by faulty wiring, not by some cook dropping his pot.

Its another thing that they're going to have to check on the other three boats, thus delaying thier deployment and forcing us to go way over budget.

Fun fact

The average payroll on a US aircraft carrier over a year is $89,700,000

Yeah I think it would be hard to have faith in your boat after an incident like this. Perhaps they can share the same councillors that Navy Sea King pilots use to get over their fear of crappy equipment. Group buy on therapy time.


And to further put your fun fact into perspective into a context we can all appreciate: Payroll of the 2003/2004 Red Wings - $77.8 million. Only there's 6000 sailors and pilots on a Nimitz class carrier....Maybe Goodenow can help in their negotiations next time...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse+Oct 6 2004, 04:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I-Hate-Hulse @ Oct 6 2004, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaptainCrunch@Oct 6 2004, 10:27 AM
A 2 deck fire is not a small or minor fire, its considered a major event. The fact that these guys are drifting in bad weather conditions with no propulsion worries me a lot.

I have to tell you that if I was a Canadian Submariner the first thing off of that boat when it got to Scotland would be my seabag, and I would never go back.

Usually in peacetimes electrical fires are caused by faulty wiring, not by some cook dropping his pot.

Its another thing that they're going to have to check on the other three boats, thus delaying thier deployment and forcing us to go way over budget.

Fun fact

The average payroll on a US aircraft carrier over a year is $89,700,000

Yeah I think it would be hard to have faith in your boat after an incident like this. Perhaps they can share the same councillors that Navy Sea King pilots use to get over their fear of crappy equipment. Group buy on therapy time.


And to further put your fun fact into perspective into a context we can all appreciate: Payroll of the 2003/2004 Red Wings - $77.8 million. Only there's 6000 sailors and pilots on a Nimitz class carrier....Maybe Goodenow can help in their negotiations next time... [/b][/quote]
A submariner has to have absolute faith in thier boat. The Submarine service is the most dangerous job in the military due to the fact that these boats are working in an extreme environment, and if something goes wrong there is very little chance of escape. They do have escape trunks, but iirc you can only get a couple sailers out at a time, and on a ship with 56 men, its going to take a lot of time to get your guys out.

Even the guys on the most advanced subs in the world realize that if something goes wrong they might not be going home. However thier subs actually work.

Bah

[Cowperson]

An update, three flown to Irish hospital, one in critical condition.

The British comment:

"The early indications of the situation on board Chicoutimi is that the problem is nothing to do with any technical aspect, the design or build."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3719760.stm

Cowperson

[Thunderball]

Example "#560" on why Canada is now an international joke.

We buy defective British subs, that even they admit they had some trouble with. This is what happens when you are forced to half-ass it. The Americans or even the British I'm sure, would have been overjoyed to sell us some top of the line subs... but we elect to buy junk from the Brits instead. Good job.

[8 Ball]

I thought it was considered bad luck to rename a boat.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

######, one of the boys there died. Sorry for the language, this just really really p*sses me off if this could have been avoided. ###### is he only word that comes to mind.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Is it me or are the media releases around this sounding more and more like the Kremlin and the Kursk Russian sub disaster? The downplay and then correction of information towards the worse?

Minor damage was done------->our electrical room melted.
5 minor casualties--------> 1 sailor dead, 3 airlifted.

Want to bet they don't get to port by Monday?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I don't have a problem with someone who dies in the line of duty, or even in an accident that couldn't be prevented. But from the sounds of it these subs were freaking accidents waiting to happen. Such a bloody usless death.

[CaptainCrunch]

Now I'm completely p*ssed. Our own government is more responsible for killing our soldiers then any enemy could be.

Eggleton the decision maker behind the purchase of these subs should be bought home and Keelhauled

Our chief of defense should be forced to resign his position and be booted out of the military, so should the head of our Navy.

What a joke, a young man died for no reason, no reason whatsoever.

We put our young men and woman in uniform, give them substandard and aging equipment, fail to give them the best possible chance for success and survival, and when they actually do succeed we cut thier budget further.

We decide to expand the military by 8000 men and woman but refuse to increase the budget.

Who in the $$$$ is running this country. Who in the $$$$ is making the decisions, really I want to know.

Who buys a submarine that we decommissioned by the British after 4 years, who the $$$$ decides to spend hundreds of millions on a useless helicopter thats incapable of performing its mission. Who the $$$$ decides to buy a tank with wheels so any lunatic with an RPG can kill men in the dozens.

I now officially hate the Liberals and what they've done to this country. I wish nothing but Ill will on every single piece of garbage in government.

They murdered this boy plain and simple. He's not the first, and he's not the last. We bought the Ill fated Iltis Jeep under the Liberals, and we saw how well those worked in protecting thier occupants. they continue to cut the budget and deprive our soldiers of proper equipment and living conditions, but they continue to demand more and more and more.

They murdered this kid so thier buddies in Quebec could run thier ad agencies. they murdered this kid so we could give away free Canadian Flags. They murdered this kid so we could have a non-enforced gun registry.

Am I wrong in my feelings. I don't see it.

[Looger]

that aboot covers it.

i'd like to say you're wrong but you're very right.

this country has very real problems that are not on the agenda.

good god, there's entire sections of territory that should be renamed "property of the hells angels"

most people in their 20s could not care less who is in office, and very few in that age category would take a day off work to vote.

we spend ungodly amounts of money on interest payments to THE BANK OF CANADA

and we continue to keep an indian affairs ministry that does nothing but enslave people to a bad system and foster racism and hatred between canadians.

this is yet another symptom of some serious problems.

[Resolute 14]

Once again, this Liberal government has murdered one of our soldiers via it's negligent underfunding of the military.

I wonder if Chretien or Martin ever bought a used private jet, or used limo?

[Cowperson]

Not saying its true, but the British Navy comment today says the equipment was not the issue in this accident:

"The early indications of the situation on board Chicoutimi is that the problem is nothing to do with any technical aspect, the design or build."

In other words, they are saying human error.

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Oct 7 2004, 02:17 AM
Not saying its true, but the British Navy comment today says the equipment was not the issue in this accident:

"The early indications of the situation on board Chicoutimi is that the problem is nothing to do with any technical aspect, the design or build."

In other words, they are saying human error.

Cowperson

Its possible, but given the track record of these subs, and the fact that electrical fires (if that was what it was) are usually caused by mechanical error. Its interesting that the Brits would already be saying this before any kind of official investigation

[Fire]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Oct 6 2004, 07:31 PM
Once again, this Liberal government has murdered one of our soldiers via it's negligent underfunding of the military.

I wonder if Chretien or Martin ever bought a used private jet, or used limo?

Will the liberals ever learn?

Everyone who voted for the liberals is partly to blame for this guy's death.

Too far?

[Looger]

i could blame the liberals if any of the alternatives were any better.

the conservatives weren't much better when they were in, the profiteering and scandals were just as bad.

canada's problem is canadians, we're complacent and jaded and browbeaten by the system.

show me a political party determined to take the system apart and i'll vote for them.

when the reform party started i was excited. but given a couple of elections, they proved to be just as bad or worse - 'grassroots' is another way of saying 'lacking any political savvy'. when they called out their leader in public they were doomed.

the marijuana party might get in, if their target constituent ever remembered which day the lines formed. it's tough to keep up with events when you live on the couch in your parents' basement, cutting coupons off of KD boxes.

actually they did have some nifty hockey cards a few years back!

and the NDP seem to platform on a 'spend, spend, spend!' agenda, and, uh, no thanks. something tells me paying 70% of our taxes towards interest on our mounting debt isn't going to help medicare.

the liberals keep in power for the same reason the big banks in canada can get away with highway robbery - they threaten canadians into compliance, with their sheer bigness. biggiditty if you will.

and they have a point - what're you gonna do aboot it??????

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Fire+Oct 7 2004, 02:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fire @ Oct 7 2004, 02:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Snakeeye@Oct 6 2004, 07:31 PM
Once again, this Liberal government has murdered one of our soldiers via it's negligent underfunding of the military.

I wonder if Chretien or Martin ever bought a used private jet, or used limo?

Will the liberals ever learn?

Everyone who voted for the liberals is partly to blame for this guy's death.

Too far? [/b][/quote]
Those that refuse to demand change are.

As looger said, we are a complacent and jaded bunch.