US begins air patrols south of Prairie borders.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

[quote=Lanny_MacDonald;597894]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

That's why you have to have political support from Mexico. You have to make it so a crime committed in the United States is punishable in both countries. You get caught sneaking into the United States, you get sent to a Mexican prison.

Do you honestly think that this is even the slightest bit realistic?

Seriously, the Mexican government produced a pamphlet outlining safetly tips for people trying to sneak into the US. It would seem that Mexico would on some level like it if more people successfully snuck across the border, as it would mean fewer poor people in their own country.

Mexico will NEVER decide that they want to jail people in their own country for getting caught illegally within the US. If it is such a hassle for these people to be jailed in the US, what makes you think Mexico would even consider taking on this burden?

[jolinar of malkshor]

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[quote=Lanny_MacDonald;597894]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

The United States government is raking in a massive amount of money each year from illegals paying into Social Security ($87 billion).

How is that possible? Not trying to argue with you but don't you need a SS number to pay that? What about income tax? Do they pay that to?
That is certainly not the case in Canada. If someone is working illegally, in most cases they are paid under the table and no taxes are collect.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I don't agree....why hasn't there been a black president or a female president?

I don't know. Why not?

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

There may be lots of latino's in the southern states but there are more state without.

You don't have to be Latino to vote for someone who is. A state that doesn't have a high Latino population could still go for a Latino candidate.

"In our lifetime" is a long time. I plan on living for at least 50 more years. Someone who is not a grey-haired white-guy will be elected President long before 2056.

[JohnnyFlame]

Hey we should ask if our boys could help do the work. As long as we could use their equipment this would be good cheap training for our guys.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't know. Why not?



You don't have to be Latino to vote for someone who is. A state that doesn't have a high Latino population could still go for a Latino candidate.

"In our lifetime" is a long time. I plan on living for at least 50 more years. Someone who is not a grey-haired white-guy will be elected President long before 2056.

You tell me why not...

It works the other way aswell...Latinos can vote for others. Lanny's implication was that since there will be so many latinos they will all vote for a Latino President. I was disagree with that.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

As for Europe...thats why they have some many problems with immigration and illegal aliens. You can go where ever you want in Western Europe without anyone asking questions.

Not to be picky, but it's actually pretty hard to enter the European Union undetected. I'm guessing you haven't traveled to Europe recently--but although it may well be possible to move within an E.U. region pretty easily, entry into each region is policed quite strictly.

I think the reason countries like France have problems with "immigrants" is because they make it so difficult for people to naturalize, thus creating ghettos of second-class, disenfranchised citizens. Border enforcement is clearly only one part of the problem.

This is one of the few issues on which Bush makes any sense at all. If the U.S. wants to avoid the problems of France and Germany, they have to offer migrant workers a path to legal permanent residency and citizenship. Otherwise the problem will just get worse and worse.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

How is that possible? Not trying to argue with you but don't you need a SS number to pay that? What about income tax? Do they pay that to?
That is certainly not the case in Canada. If someone is working illegally, in most cases they are paid under the table and no taxes are collect.

You have to have a Social Insurance number to get a job in the United States, so illegals will just have a number forged, not caring where the tax money goes. The money that goes into these accounts is taken out of the SS pool and held in limbo. This is a very common practice. A fall out of this is when they use these numbers they can register a new address with the government, and if someone is receiving SS the checks are re-routed to the new PO Box and cashed at any check cashing store (which are very prevalent in the US). The only one who gets hurt is the poor old guy that has to fill out paperwork until he goes blind while trying to get his money from the government.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Do you honestly think that this is even the slightest bit realistic?

Seriously, the Mexican government produced a pamphlet outlining safetly tips for people trying to sneak into the US. It would seem that Mexico would on some level like it if more people successfully snuck across the border, as it would mean fewer poor people in their own country.

Mexico will NEVER decide that they want to jail people in their own country for getting caught illegally within the US. If it is such a hassle for these people to be jailed in the US, what makes you think Mexico would even consider taking on this burden?

This is a very viable solution. The United States could very easily pay the Mexican government for jailing their own citizens that the United States turns over. This could work out well for both countries. The United States could pay Mexico 1/5 of what it costs to imprison an illegal here (our facilities are bursting at the seams and it costs a lot to house these people) and come out on top. Mexico would then have an income stream and a new source of employment. It would be much cheaper for the United States to do this, having Mexico build the prisons and such, than trying to build a wall and still dealing with the issue. Mexico would be all over this IMO. Money is money is money, and the Mexico government wouldn't give two squirts about its people.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Not to be picky, but it's actually pretty hard to enter the European Union undetected. I'm guessing you haven't traveled to Europe recently--but although it may well be possible to move within an E.U. region pretty easily, entry into each region is policed quite strictly.

I think the reason countries like France have problems with "immigrants" is because they make it so difficult for people to naturalize, thus creating ghettos of second-class, disenfranchised citizens. Border enforcement is clearly only one part of the problem.

This is one of the few issues on which Bush makes any sense at all. If the U.S. wants to avoid the problems of France and Germany, they have to offer migrant workers a path to legal permanent residency and citizenship. Otherwise the problem will just get worse and worse.

Well...I agree with you some what. The problem is...not every country has the same standards as far as immigration goes in Europe. It may be a difficult in some spots but not others but it doesn't really matter because once you get in to the EU....well...by by....good luck finding someone after they get in.

Would you not agree with that.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Well...I agree with you some what. The problem is...not every country has the same standards as far as immigration goes in Europe. It may be a difficult in some spots but not others but it doesn't really matter because once you get in to the EU....well...by by....good luck finding someone after they get in.

Would you not agree with that.

Yes, I would agree--though my experience is with Iceland, not mainland Europe, so it would be pretty hard to get anywhere else in the E.U. from there.