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Old 10-06-2004, 03:55 PM   #21
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Running with this theme, I am going to go out on a limb and predict that the polls which we are seeing are going to be grossly off when all is said and done.

The polling groups haven't accounted/planned for the margain of error that we are probably going to be looking at. Also the pollsters for the major players rarely take samples from the areas where we are seeing a large mobilization (how many CNN trucks do you see in south Brooklyn?) of voters. The polls are taken from an average of the five main electorates using a multistage cluster sampling approach which unfairly misrepresents large sects of the population.

I am sure I don't need to point out the effects this can have on voter apathy, and turnout.

You can also see why politicians demonize peforming artists and other celebrities when they get politically active - they fear the unknown and uncertainty.

You heard it here first folks, the polls will be off...BIG TIME




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Old 10-06-2004, 04:03 PM   #22
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The Democrat woman on Larry King made the same point last night (sorry I forget her name). Apparantly 90% of people that are approached to respond to an election poll refuse to participate. Also, newly registered voters are not contacted.
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Old 10-06-2004, 05:53 PM   #23
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Originally posted by Flame Of Liberty+Oct 6 2004, 07:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame Of Liberty @ Oct 6 2004, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lurch@Oct 6 2004, 05:26 PM
Libertarianism basically says do your own thing, and government, no matter how constituted, is a bad thing. However, the only logical way this can occur and be sustained is if everyone agrees, i.e. everyone is a libertarian. Seems pretty contrary to me, i.e. a totalitarian outcome where the right to organize becomes illegal b/c it would lead to instability. I have no doubt this has been answered somewhere as it seems like an obvious inconsistency. If someone can point me to the rebuttal, I'd appreciate it.
Well this is where secession comes into place. Libertarians do not want to `overrun` governments. They want to be left alone. Which means if other people want to live in states, thats all fine and good. But leave people who want no part of democracy to live on their land and live in free societies.

In the US, there are people trying to achieve this (at least partially, for now that is):

http://www.freestateproject.org [/b][/quote]
If other people live in states and the libertarian society is surrounded, wouldn't it in fact have borders as a result?

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