655,000 deaths in Iraq since invasion?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The worst part of this is some guy in Iraq with a dead kid is hearing the Yank politicians and talking heads saying "no no no no, it was only 50 thousand".

I'm sure he'll also be happy to see this whole thing turned into an argument that contains the phrase "liberal dominated media picked up on this story..."

No kidding... do people actually care 13 times as much if its 650,000 than 50,000? Once the numbers get this high any number is staggering.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

I read, on another board, this morning a guy say that 655,000 is a reasonable number of civilian losses, anywhere else in the world as long as it prevents another September 11th event on American soil. It is this attitude that makes it difficult to live in this country at times. There are so many Americans place a greater value on American lives than they do on people from other countries. Americans are so superior in every way that their lives are worth 200+ lives from anywhere else. I don't think I've ever been so repulsed in my life.

3,000 people lost in the 9/11 events is mind numbing enough, but 50,000 is just beyond our comprehension (wipe Red Deer off the map). 655,000 is a number we will never be able to get our minds around. Imagine being in Ottawa one day, then it being completely gone the next. That's what 655,000 is like. But it's okay, as long as it isn't happening in America.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

No kidding... do people actually care 13 times as much if its 650,000 than 50,000? Once the numbers get this high any number is staggering.

Well over 4 million have died in Sudan and people give two for that number since it isn't the USA creating the carnage.

Iraq, Iraq, Iraq!!!!

BTW: 600 + thousand is such a BS number. It resembles all the BS numbers Leftwingnut groups were throwing out before the war. 100,000 in the firts month alone!!!!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

Like the troops families?

You know full well what I was referring to.

The troops families are irrelevent in all of this. Soldiers go where the leaders send them. The cruel nature of war does not care about much else.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Well over 4 million have died in Sudan and people give two for that number since it isn't the USA creating the carnage.

Can we try to keep on topic here please? No need to change the subject.

Originally Posted by HOZ

BTW: 600 + thousand is such a BS number. It resembles all the BS numbers Leftwingnut groups were throwing out before the war. 100,000 in the firts month alone!!!!

I don't know if I'd be making jokes about the pre-war predictions made by the anti-war crowd. If I recall correctly, the pro-war crowd made a bad prediction or two themselves. They did, after all, predict that the reason given for the war actually existed. Remember that one?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Well over 4 million have died in Sudan and people give two for that number since it isn't the USA creating the carnage.

Iraq, Iraq, Iraq!!!!

BTW: 600 + thousand is such a BS number. It resembles all the BS numbers Leftwingnut groups were throwing out before the war. 100,000 in the firts month alone!!!!

See, this is exactly what I was talking about in my last post: the numbers that have been used to calculate the number of deaths in Sudan have used the same methodology. So people like you will use the largest figures possible for Sudan and then discount the same methodology where it reflects poorly on the US in Iraq. Either you've got to take both numbers at face value, or if you want to believe that the numbers in Iraq are completely off the mark, then you've got to admit that the Sudan estimates are equally flawed.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

BTW: 600 + thousand is such a BS number. It resembles all the BS numbers Leftwingnut groups were throwing out before the war. 100,000 in the firts month alone!!!!

Sorry, the neo-con ######s missed 500,000 bodies buried in the flowers and ticket tape that welcomed them into Iraq. Obviously an honest mistake on their part.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Well over 4 million have died in Sudan and people give two for that number since it isn't the USA creating the carnage.

Iraq, Iraq, Iraq!!!!

BTW: 600 + thousand is such a BS number. It resembles all the BS numbers Leftwingnut groups were throwing out before the war. 100,000 in the firts month alone!!!!

Your first point is a good one, but the Iraqbodycount site (50,000) is featured on the Michael Moore site.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Can we try to keep on topic here please? No need to change the subject.

Actually, I think he has raised a key point here. The world seems to care a hell of a lot more about this particular human tragedy than it does many others that have had equivalent or higher death tolls.

Its all about the agenda, and how best to push it.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Actually, I think he has raised a key point here. The world seems to care a hell of a lot more about this particular human tragedy than it does many others that have had equivalent or higher death tolls.

Its all about the agenda, and how best to push it.

Well... it IS the American media that is involved in this, isn't it? Its not like CNN or Fox News are giving equal airtime to Darfur that it does to Iraq, and I think its obvious why. The US invaded and occupies Iraq, it did not invade and occupy Darfur, therefore Americans, at least, are more interested in whats going on in Iraq. Is it the American people's 'agenda'? Sure... they care about their soldiers and their occupation.

[HOZ]

[Lanny_MacDonald]

And one that is all HOZ all the time!



It's just so easy!!!

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Uh-oh. It's a good old-fashioned cartoon-off!


(hums theme from Good, Bad and the Ugly)

[HOZ]

Ahhhh Lanny, when you have South Park against you....

you lose.


Lanny took a Duke in the Urinal


BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Yes, the height of intelligence and the social standard for which we must all strive to achieve, South Park. Well, what Trey Parker and Matt Stone have to say is definitely the last word on any subject... if you're 12. I can see why they appeal to your sensibilities. They're at your intellectual level. A couple of morons that go through life re-telling the same fart and scat jokes over-and-over. Wow! I guess we all need heros and HOZ has identified his.

Oh, and back to Iraq...







And finally, HOZ in action...

[Looger]

hey HOZ - you might be interested in the increased traffic on 911truth.org after that southpark episode, the logo that was CONSTANTLY on the screen!

if they were really taking shots they'd have picked a weaker site than that one.

anyone with half a brain watching that knows that the vast majority of 9/11 truth seekers don't 'blame the jews.'

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...south_park.htm

So many possibilities emerge from this. One thing I've found over the last few years is that media will often write a "9/11 hit piece" and then weave within it many links and information that gets the reader curious about the fact that the official story doesn't really make sense, when you look at it. This harkens back to the old KGB run Soviet Union, where journalists would "hide" facts within stories, and the Soviet people were savvy enough to get the "real" message.

as to the deaths in iraq it's already positively genocidal, easily past 1% of a nation's population. at this point until foreign occupying forces leave it will be a complete scourge on the history of the people living there.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Yes, the height of intelligence and the social standard for which we must all strive to achieve, South Park. Well, what Trey Parker and Matt Stone have to say is definitely the last word on any subject... if you're 12. I can see why they appeal to your sensibilities. They're at your intellectual level. A couple of morons that go through life re-telling the same fart and scat jokes over-and-over. Wow! I guess we all need heros and HOZ has identified his.

Oh, and back to Iraq...







And finally, HOZ in action...

Ran out of comics for this topic....actually I justs topped looking.
BUT AT least my comics stayed ON TOPIC Lanny. Well except for South Park but when I saw that it just made me think of you.

As usual Lanny you cannot defend a position without striking out in all sorts of directions and putting words into peoples mouths. Remember the topic Lanny? 650,000 Iraqis killed. Next year 1 billion? After that 250 billion?

The number is rediculous.

[Vulcan]

Any unneeded deaths I find distasteful, but these numbers put them close to Saddam's death toll of 500,000 to a million. Wasn't one of the supposed reasons for going into Iraq to protect these citizens that are getting slaughtered. I admit the Kurds and anybody opposing Saddam faced a bleak future, but the country did have some law and order. To most average Iraqi things made sense, now everyone is filled with fear and terror and the Americans don't seem to have any plan or desire to settle things or leave. I guess war is good for America.

[JohnnyFlame]

Yep I too find it sadly comical that the Anti-American/Anti-Republican/Anti-Bush crowd think death in Iraq is horrendous cause the above 3 and more caused it while the death tolls in other places get zippo or very little notice.

NOBODY is stepping up to help in Africa. All a load of BS as far as I'm concerned.

I would think the way more important discussion is how you solve these crisis -- Not the blame game while they are still taking place. Personally I think the seperating of the three groups into three nation states is the way to go in IRAQ. The American forces can then go into Sudan instead seeing as they are one of the very few countries who actually have the balls to put troops out around the world in numbers that make a difference.

One of the things I've found pathetic is how nations like Russia, China, Germany and France with their large populations and armies aren't out there with huge peacekeeping forces. Instead they just sit and do their usual sit on the sidelines and whine about the US. Unless they are willing to do something they should just SHUT UP!!!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Remember the topic Lanny? 650,000 Iraqis killed. Next year 1 billion? After that 250 billion?

The number is rediculous.

That's right HOZ, the topic was the Johns Hopkins report. And if you go back to the very first post that started this thread you'll notice that I said that the number was way too high and not a valid number. How did you miss that? Sorry, you were probably too busy watching a game tape of South Park, getting your daily gem of wisdom that your felt compelled to come here and share with us, and didn't have time to read the thread. As usual, top grade work for a guy with a second grade edjucation.

However, as pointed out by several of the other posters, the methodology employed by the Johns Hopkins survey is the same one that the military employs to define their estimates. If that is the same, it speaks to the scope of this tragedy. Ironic that YOU drag in the numbers from other regions to marginalize Iraq, and those numbers were estimated using the same methodology YOU just finished hammering. I know this is probably hard for you to grasp, given the level of your intellect, but you cannot pick and choose the methodology in use when doing statistical comparisons. You have to use the same methodology for the comparison to be valid.

I think the Hopkins number is high, but the methodology used is valid. It puts the scope of the Iraq debacle into perspective when compared to the other attrocities taking place in other regions. This invasion is a disaster and achieved nothing.

Oh, and I love your extrapolation. 250 million! 1 billion!!! You're a joke buddy, and prove it with every thread you jump in.