UFC - Ortiz vs Shamrock #3

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

He probably got paid 100k or something to do the fight. He looked to be in worse shape than his last fight with Ortiz. Smiling and dancing going to the ring was very un-Shamrock-like, it seemed like he knew he was going in to lose. No idea why he'd want to go out like that though, so I'm assuming maybe money was a factor. Not sure what those guys get paid, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ken/Tito were pulling in 6 figures a year at least.

According to this article, he'll get paid around $1 million this year for doing 4 fights.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3516

Translated into more tangible financial terms, his first two fights in 2006 alone were sufficient to place Ortiz’s compensation among the top percentile of U.S. annual household incomes. When you add in the payday for tomorrow night’s bout, as well as the December title fight with Liddell, his 2006 prize money will fall just shy of one million dollars.

By the way, that article has some very candid words from Tito in it. He talks of his troubles with Dana White, hos relationship with the fans, his relationship with Jenna Jamieson etc.. It was a good read.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by HitterD

According to this article, he'll get paid around $1 million this year for doing 4 fights.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3516

Translated into more tangible financial terms, his first two fights in 2006 alone were sufficient to place Ortiz’s compensation among the top percentile of U.S. annual household incomes. When you add in the payday for tomorrow night’s bout, as well as the December title fight with Liddell, his 2006 prize money will fall just shy of one million dollars.

By the way, that article has some very candid words from Tito in it. He talks of his troubles with Dana White, hos relationship with the fans, his relationship with Jenna Jamieson etc.. It was a good read.

Yeah, but I was talking about Shamrock, not Tito.

Interesting article, thanks for posting it.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Yeah, but I was talking about Shamrock, not Tito.

Interesting article, thanks for posting it.

Sorry man.

I was responding to your "but I wouldn't be surprised if Ken/Tito were pulling in 6 figures a year at least." comment, so I responded to the Tito part. I don't know what Shamrock makes, but it probably isn't as much as Tito.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Sorry man.

I was responding to your "but I wouldn't be surprised if Ken/Tito were pulling in 6 figures a year at least." comment, so I responded to the Tito part. I don't know what Shamrock makes, but it probably isn't as much as Tito.

I hear ya. Yeah, I'm not sure what Shamrock makes, but surmised that maybe thats the reason he came back for this last butt-kicking. If Ortiz is pulling 1 million over 4 fights in '06 then maybe Ken made 100-200k for his 2 Tito fights.

[jam26]

Sorry I don't have a direct link, but for some insight into exactly what UFC fighters get paid for each event, go to thefightnetwork.com and search the MMA archives for an article called:

Inside the Numbers for UFC Salaries

It breaks down exactly how much money each fighter received for each event. Pretty low considering the massive revenues generated by the PPV. I don't know how the majority of those fighters train full-time and survive when they're only getting a few grand per fight.

[HitterD]

Thanks for the link Jam26

Wow!!

Rich franklin only made $26,000 to fight in November 2005

Hughes made $110,000

David "the crow" Loiaso (sp?) only made $5000 to fight, and another $5000 to win.

Yeah, these guys are making peanuts compared to how much the UFC is making.

Total earings for UFC 65 were only $294,000. How much can you figure the PPV alone grossed?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Thanks for the link Jam26

Wow!!

Rich franklin only made $26,000 to fight in November 2005

Hughes made $110,000

David "the crow" Loiaso (sp?) only made $5000 to fight, and another $5000 to win.

Yeah, these guys are making peanuts compared to how much the UFC is making.

Total earings for UFC 65 were only $294,000. How much can you figure the PPV alone grossed?

No kidding... that is peanuts. Though, I'm sure we'll see the same thing happen with this sport that happened with wrestling. Tito already proved that if you're a star you can hold out for more money. Once some of the guys become household names (still a ways away from that point) I'm sure they'll be able to command more money. The new UFC is still in its infancy. Give it 3 years, then we'll see what the salaries look like.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

No kidding... that is peanuts. Though, I'm sure we'll see the same thing happen with this sport that happened with wrestling. Tito already proved that if you're a star you can hold out for more money. Once some of the guys become household names (still a ways away from that point) I'm sure they'll be able to command more money. The new UFC is still in its infancy. Give it 3 years, then we'll see what the salaries look like.

Good point. For now, though, it must be quite tough for these fighters to make a dime fightings as a career. I guess this is why so many fighters are getting endorsements from Xyience etc... this must help a bit.

I scrolled down in the article a little bit more. Diego Sanchez made $24000 for a fight in 2005. He is making much more than some veteran fighters. I guess this may be a trend. The TUF fighters will be getting paid more becasue they are well known, even if they arent the best fighters.

No wonder the "old UFC" guys are angry!!

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Good point. For now, though, it must be quite tough for these fighters to make a dime fightings as a career. I guess this is why so many fighters are getting endorsements from Xyience etc... this must help a bit.

I scrolled down in the article a little bit more. Diego Sanchez made $24000 for a fight in 2005. He is making much more than some veteran fighters. I guess this may be a trend. The TUF fighters will be getting paid more becasue they are well known, even if they arent the best fighters.

No wonder the "old UFC" guys are angry!!

I think the TUF guys are also the ones being set up to be the future stars of the sport, TUF I, II, III were all young guys getting into their prime. I think the point of TUF was to introduce us to all the guys who will be the next Ortiz/Lidell/Coutoure. A lof of the existing guys in their late 20's/30's don't have the same 'value' because they're older and weren't on TUF... so the lay-fan doesn't have a clue who they are, though they're more experienced than any of the TUF fighters.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Is that a for sure matchup? That would be sweeeet. I'll go with Tito, I think he's a cocky *******, but after seeing him on TUF I have a newfound respect for him (and lack of it for Shamrock).

I couldn't have said it better myself!

[kaotik]

Most of the headlining fighters make a percentage of PPV that is not reported in the fight purse, which the nevada state athletic commission makes them report... there is also speculation that alot of the fighters make additional money that is not reported to the NSAC for appearances on SpikeTV, commercials for the PPV's, etc... So the reported amounts they earn per fight is usually small in comparison from what they actually take home.

[MrMastodonFarm]

It's too bad Nat Marquardt's fight wasn't shown on TV, he is probably next in line (along with Mike Swick) for the welterweight title. Stupid not to show it.

No suprise that Shamrock lost and it was great to see MacDonald get the victory wit the triangle choke.. elbows.. and kimura.. impressive victory over a tough figher.

As for Franklin's money. He signed a 7 fight deal prior to his fight with Ken Shamrock, but he gets a percentage of the PPV sales as well so he is going alright.

Pretty excited for UFC 64 this weekend too. And UFC 65 in November.. Hughes vs St. Pierre and Sylvia vs Monson... then UFC 66 in December with Ortiz vs Liddell.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

No kidding... that is peanuts. Though, I'm sure we'll see the same thing happen with this sport that happened with wrestling. Tito already proved that if you're a star you can hold out for more money. Once some of the guys become household names (still a ways away from that point) I'm sure they'll be able to command more money. The new UFC is still in its infancy. Give it 3 years, then we'll see what the salaries look like.

LOL, you are kidding me right, I hate to say it but you're being blinded by the UFC... there is MMA outside of the UFC. You don't have to wait just take a look at what Pride FC is paying their fighters. It isn't just luck that they have the top fighters... it's because they pay for the best. UFC takes their sweet time before giving a fighter what they should get, it's feast or famine and i don't see it changing anytime soon as long as they keep ranking in the PPV's while not handing out the payrolls.... thats unless Pride's invasion of the USA is a success. Then maybe the UFC will be forced to treat their fighters with the respect they should have.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

LOL, you are kidding me right, I hate to say it but you're being blinded by the UFC... there is MMA outside of the UFC.

If you asked 10 people in the US, 2 would have heard of UFC, 0 would have heard of Pride. Just because you and I are fans doesn't mean that everyone is.

You don't have to wait just take a look at what Pride FC is paying their fighters. It isn't just luck that they have the top fighters... it's because they pay for the best.

Where can I look at this info? I'm certainly interested.

UFC takes their sweet time before giving a fighter what they should get, it's feast or famine and i don't see it changing anytime soon as long as they keep ranking in the PPV's while not handing out the payrolls.... thats unless Pride's invasion of the USA is a success. Then maybe the UFC will be forced to treat their fighters with the respect they should have.

I think you're somehow mistaking me for some giant UFC homer.

UFC fighters don't get paid much. UFC is gaining popularity. It is still in its infancy in many ways (many people's first real exposure to it was TUF). As the UFC gets more popular in North America, and draws in more revenue, I can easily see more fighters (like Tito) holding out for, and getting, more money. I don't see how I'm being naive here, nor do I think I'm 'blinded by the UFC'. Thanks for the respectful chat though!

[droopydrew19]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

He probably got paid 100k or something to do the fight. He looked to be in worse shape than his last fight with Ortiz. Smiling and dancing going to the ring was very un-Shamrock-like, it seemed like he knew he was going in to lose. No idea why he'd want to go out like that though, so I'm assuming maybe money was a factor. Not sure what those guys get paid, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ken/Tito were pulling in 6 figures a year at least.

There is money flying around for sure. I have it on good authority that Grayce made 1.2 million to have Hughes bust his arm a couple months ago. Not bad for 1 night's work.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Stolen from Sherdog.com forums. Great posting..

UFC Pay: A Guide For Posting
For the love of god, how many times are morons going to post false, inaccurate, and misleading statements regarding fighter pay and the amount the UFC makes on its shows. I don't have a problem with people talking about the pay of fighters, but at least have some knowledge and common sense before spewing out complete and utter nonsense.

Common misconceptions about fighter pay.

1. The listed pay is not the full pay from the UFC. That pay is only show and in some instances show and win bonus (Nevada requires both). Other bonuses are not included and these are quite substantial for the top fighters with their PPV cuts, but even the lesser named fighters can get bonuses for fight of the night, submission of the night, KO of the night, etc. Tito, Chuck, Ken, Randy, Royce, Hughes have all been rumored as million a dollar fight guys. Sylvia has been given 50k automobiles as bonuses for a job well done. Franklin has supposedely been given significant dollars for a down payment on his house.

2. The UFC allows the fighters to promote pretty much anything (there are certain things they ban, such as advertising competing casinos and offshore gambling sites) and thus allows them to get significant advertising/sponsorship dollars when they fight. Without the fight they don't get this money, and yes it isn't paid by the UFC, but they certainly could ban all advertising if they chose to.

3. The UFC gets many fighters certain sponsorships, appearances, coaching opportunities, etc., which provide additional money to the fighters. Obviously Xience is the big sponsor, but there are others.

Common misconceptions about UFC income.

1. The PPV buy numbers is not pure profit to the UFC. The PPV company takes anywhere from 40-60% right off the top. No one knows the exact numbers, but MMA Weekly estimates it at 50% for a company in the UFC's position.

2. Uncle Sam takes about a third of any amount, which is obviously a hefty amount.

3. The UFC has additional employee salaries directly related to the actual event. These include the judges (assigned by the athletic commission but paid for by the UFC), the doctors, the ring girls, the announcers, etc. No one knows how much this amounts to, but they don't work for free.

4. The UFC has a number of expenses for each event. This includes the medical insurance for every fighter, travel expenses for the fighters, drug testing, and the big one advertising the PPV on tv, radio, in print, etc. Advertising is expensive.

5. The UFC has to rent the facility. Depending on their arrangement they may have to pay for the security and possibly could get a share of the proceeds and gates, but once again no one knows what those arrangements are. It would pure speculation as to how much of the gate they actually get and what sort of percentage of arena advertising they get.

6. The UFC has general overhead. This money has to come from somewhere. This overhead includes their office rental, utiltiy expenses, travel expenses, legal fees, salaries for their non-fighter employees (scouts, secretorial staff, management).

7. The UFC almost certainly loses money on the UFN shows as the salaries are pretty large and the money they take in isn't much (live gates aren't a lot and some of that goes to the facility - UFC probably doesn't get any dollars from the commercials but gets a flat fee from Spike, no one knows what that is so speculation is dumb). They use the UFN's to promote their fighters, build name recognitiion, and advertising for PPV's so it makes sense for the UFC to do them, but the UFC probably is losing money on them (and probably lost a lot on the Tito/Ken UFC since those guys are huge money fighters).

Bottom line when all is said and done the UFC, while probably making money (notice I said probably) overall isn't to the point where they are making a lot of money. Of a 30 million dollar PPV take, after the PPV provider and government take their cut the UFC is proabably left with no more than 10 million to cover all other expenses, which as outlined above are fairly significant.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by droopydrew19

There is money flying around for sure. I have it on good authority that Grayce made 1.2 million to have Hughes bust his arm a couple months ago. Not bad for 1 night's work.

But not from the UFC, Joyce was loaned to the UFC by K-1 and in return was splitting the proceeds of the PPV. Joyce got paid a lot of money to take that fight, good for him, but it wasn't by the UFC. Joyce's purse that night from the UFC was $400,000, and also recieved $600,000 from K-1. For those that are interested Matt Hughes was paid $55,000 plus $50,000 for the win.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

But not from the UFC, Joyce was loaned to the UFC by K-1 and in return was splitting the proceeds of the PPV. Joyce got paid a lot of money to take that fight, good for him, but it wasn't by the UFC. Joyce's purse that night from the UFC was $400,000, and also recieved $600,000 from K-1. For those that are interested Matt Hughes was paid $55,000 plus $50,000 for the win.

[TanguayROCKS]

Hey, new to this forum...

But, just wanted to say that you would thnk that Shamrock would have realized by now that he cant beat Ortiz, lol, Shamrock is old and IMO he is done... Now, I am not big into UFC but I mean I have won money off my friends in all three fights just because they think Sharock actually stood a chance, lol

[Hanna Sniper]

lol, Royce.. it's not that hard of a typo to make out, it happens and has happened all through this thread in fact