Does Canada need the CBC?

[Hakan]

I love the CBC. I just wish it went to the BBC model of funding where there was a cable fee for it. That way it would have the revenue outside of party politicking to make good programming.

And CBC radio one is probably the best news radio in Canada if not North America.

[troutman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_Night_in_Canada

CBC's contract with the NHL to broadcast the Hockey Night in Canada package will expire following the conclusion of the 2007-2008 season. In the past, the CBC would have been considered a shoo-in to renew the rights, but this time, things could be different.

Private network CTV recently outbid the CBC for Canadian television rights to the 2010 and 2012 Olympics and the major television package for curling, joining forces with sister company TSN to outbid the CBC. There is much speculation that CTV/TSN will not only make a combined bid for both the national over-the-air and cable television rights to the NHL in Canada, but make such a huge bid for the over-the-air portion of the deal that the CBC will not be able to match it.

Should the NHL and the Canadian Football League both join the Olympics and curling at CTV/TSN, it would leave the CBC without any major sports events and put the future of the network's sports division into question. However, such a move would be considered extremely controversial as over-the-air coverage of the NHL would be reduced due to the priorities that CTV has with airing American programs.

But, in a news item posted on August 11, 2006, on CBC.ca, it was being reported that Bell Globemedia (owner of CTV and TSN) was looking to acquire the broadcast rights to NHL hockey in Canada for a 10-year, $1.4 billion CDN package deal, starting with the 2008-09 season, that includes exclusive English and French TV rights, in addition to the cable TV rights for TSN, and Internet streaming rights

I really enjoy CBC radio 2, especially CBC radio 3 on Saturdays:

http://radio3.cbc.ca/

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_Night_in_Canada

But, in a news item posted on August 11, 2006, on CBC.ca, it was being reported that Bell Globemedia (owner of CTV and TSN) was looking to acquire the broadcast rights to NHL hockey in Canada for a 10-year, $1.4 billion CDN package deal, starting with the 2008-09 season, that includes exclusive English and French TV rights, in addition to the cable TV rights for TSN, and Internet streaming rights

I really enjoy CBC radio 2, especially CBC radio 3 on Saturdays:

http://radio3.cbc.ca/

Yeesh. 1.4 billion eh? That's what, 4.5 million per team, per year. I wonder if the salary cap would go up. Or if the Canadian teams will give up the ghost on that "big money American TV deal" and want to keep more of that money for themselves.

Does anyone know what the current tab is for HNIC?

Saturday night games are one thing, but what I wonder is will CTV devote a month and a half of primetime to the playoffs like CBC does.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Saturday night games are one thing, but what I wonder is will CTV devote a month and a half of primetime to the playoffs like CBC does.

They could, using TSN.

[Hakan]

As a peasant vision subscriber, it would be a very very sad day if CBC lost HNIC.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by troutman

They could, using TSN.

TSN already covers the playoffs as much as they can. If CTV didn't have games on the main network my options for watching hockey would go from both CBC and TSN to just TSN and I do like to flip a lot at that time of year.

It's probably all a moot point anyway. If this actually happens we are a long way off from CTV covering (or not) any playoff hockey.

[Cal-Gal]

[quote=Red As for the "liberal bias" propaganda, I would like any proof that substantially supports that. I remember during the last federal election when CBC aired a documentary called "Medicare Schmedicare" that attacked the public health care system during a very volatile voting time. I do not think the CBC has many oppurtunities to present an vehemently left-wing agenda as people are suggesting. I mean, look at Don Cherry![/quote]

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000645.html

Here's some blatant anti-Harper bias for you - whether you want to call it "liberal bias" is up to you. I'm not a journalist, but I have worked in the media industry - and if a reporter for a private network pulled the kind of cut-and-paste job Christina Lawand did in this piece, she would be fired.

[troutman]

I imagine there would be a TSN1 and a TSN2.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cal-Gal

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000645.html

Here's some blatant anti-Harper bias for you - whether you want to call it "liberal bias" is up to you. I'm not a journalist, but I have worked in the media industry - and if a reporter for a private network pulled the kind of cut-and-paste job Christina Lawand did in this piece, she would be fired.

Isn't it biased to cut-and-paste something from a conservative blog?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cal-Gal

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000645.html

Here's some blatant anti-Harper bias for you - whether you want to call it "liberal bias" is up to you. I'm not a journalist, but I have worked in the media industry - and if a reporter for a private network pulled the kind of cut-and-paste job Christina Lawand did in this piece, she would be fired.

If a reporter quoted someone out of context and slipped a little personal bias into a report they would be fired? I don't think so.

Sure that was a hatchet job on Lawand's part, but every media outlet in the world takes people out of context and their reporters have a personal bias. They don't all get fired.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by Cal-Gal

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000645.html

Here's some blatant anti-Harper bias for you - whether you want to call it "liberal bias" is up to you. I'm not a journalist, but I have worked in the media industry - and if a reporter for a private network pulled the kind of cut-and-paste job Christina Lawand did in this piece, she would be fired.

Ever watched Fox?!?!?!?!

[Cal-Gal]

Originally Posted by troutman

Isn't it biased to cut-and-paste something from a conservative blog?

Absolutely. I'm very biased in my political views. But I'm not a news source that is supposely non-partisan, nor do I receive government funding to promote my views.

I have no problem with shows that have a blatant political bias, but it does bother me when tax dollars pay for it.

And yes, Fox news is incredibly biased - but, its one thing to spout your partisan views, its an absolute other to take someone's words, switch them around, and try to make them appear to have said something they never said.

Regardless - I didn't want to start a fight - you wanted evidence of CBC's bias and I sent you what I thought is pretty clear evidence. And I still frimly believe that if Christina Lewand worked for CTV or another non-government media outlet, she would have been severely disciplined for this piece.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by Cal-Gal

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000645.html

Here's some blatant anti-Harper bias for you - whether you want to call it "liberal bias" is up to you. I'm not a journalist, but I have worked in the media industry - and if a reporter for a private network pulled the kind of cut-and-paste job Christina Lawand did in this piece, she would be fired.

Okay, so I've watched the link, and I agree that backing your position of partisan politics wasn't well served by a Conservative blog site.

The fact is that this blog makes it sound like everything that the CBC said was not true, but it is. The Arab protesters did not sway Harper's position and he said everything that was in the original broadcast sans the CPC propaganda that this blog would have preferred the CBC show. If the CBC aired the rhetoric by Harper, THEN I would be a little skeptical of the CBC. This kind of party support does NOT have any room during the news, and I believe that his actions prove the CBC broadcast true. Was the piece done more from an Arab point of view? Absolutely, but showing different sides to the conflict is important. Regardless of when Harper said what he did, he still said them. The fact that CBC would air a story like this while under a Conservative government proves that they are not corrupted by government funds.

[Cal-Gal]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

Okay, so I've watched the link, and I agree that backing your position of partisan politics wasn't well served by a Conservative blog site.

As for posting the link to the Blogging Tories.... where else but a Conservative site would you expect to find someone pointing out a perceived Liberal Bias??

Well, regardless of where the link came from, the story is what it is - ask yourself a very simple question: did the reporter intentionally try to take his words out of context or didn't she? To me, the answer is obvious. You're free to disagree - and that's totally fine with me.

You wanted to see evidence that the CBC has a slant - I agree, its not "vehemently left wing" - but the slant is there.

And, to reiterate, yes, I am biased too - so are you - we all are...including reporters. That's not the problem. A reporter can state a bias in their reporting, or in interviewing (as we saw in the Fox news Clinton interview), and that is acceptable. But to pose a question in a report and then inject a statement by the Prime Minister that was an answer to a very different question is incredibly dishonest. For example - Imagine if we back-tracked through every one of your previous posts on this site and pulled little snippets from here and there - I'm sure we could find some pretty interesting little nuggets that we could take completely out of context and have some fun with.

Should we axe the CBC? I don't think so - but lets not pretend they are completely neutral in their reporting.

Anyway, as political as I am - I'm a lover, not a fighter - I'm not trying to trample on anyone's opinion. Sorry if I offended.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

everything that the CBC said was not true.

I can't believe you would say such a thing, especially when you are defending them!!! Wow. So the CBC are liars? Guess so, 'cause you have said it.

Taking things out of context can be SO much fun... unless it happens to you. As Rouge said, it was a hatchet job, and if he acknowledges it (and the CBC had to air an apology about it) you should really consider that it was. Regardless of where this clip was posted, the situation is clear. I would hope that the Red guys do the same if a network did that to the Liberals.

[Footscray]

I'm in the keep it camp. I like newsworld and radio one alot and I'd way rather have access to broadcasting we fund over broadcasting huge multinationals fund - personal preference only.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Hey--if we thought about abolishing Fox News every time they pulled a hatchet job on somebody.... Ah, who'm I kidding. We should abolish Fox News.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

I can't believe you would say such a thing, especially when you are defending them!!! Wow. So the CBC are liars? Guess so, 'cause you have said it.

WHOOPS!!! Talk about faux pas!!!!!

you jerk!

[drp_69]

I agree with Cal-Gal.
The trouble with evaluating bias or a slant is that the evaluators themselves are biased, so they may not see an slant if they think the same. Conversly, they may see a lot of bias, if they think differently.
I have travelled and lived in many parts of the world. I am a 'news junkie', and many years ago, I began to recognise subtle bias, both right and left wing. I have also witnessed news in total opressive censorship and control, both right wing and socialist/communist.
I recognise a bias in CBC editorial content, not just how it is reported, also WHAT is reported. Yes, I also recognise bias in Fox News, but they are not taxpayer funded. The example provided by Cal_Gal is classic CBC sneakiness!

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Yes, Canada needs the CBC as much as the United States needs PBS and NPR. Frankly, CBC should be run more like PBS and NPR and become detached from the government and feel free to criticise who is in office, but that will take years to change. The people need a voice, and the tax supported entities are supposed to allow for those voices to find the airwaves. CBC just needs an overhaul IMO.

Wow I agree!