Kerry pulls even with Bush: Newsweek poll

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Oct 3 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Oct 3 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaramonLS@Oct 3 2004, 05:56 PM
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Green, blue, yellow, orange and red

no amber, genius. [/b][/quote]
Sorry Dis as I've heard it refered to as Amber before (perhaps by that lesser news source you refer to as CNN, I know how much of a fox fan you are), they might have mis-pronounced it once, but it has been refered to as Amber on more than one occasion.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Oct 3 2004, 05:59 PM

Sorry Dis as I've heard it refered to as Amber before (perhaps by that lesser news source you refer to as CNN, I know how much of a fox fan you are), they might have mis-pronounced it once, but it has been refered to as Amber on more than one occasion.

I doubt that very serioulsy. We have amber alerts all the time............they are for CHILD ABDUCTIONS. No reputable news agency (oxymoron, I know...but let's think relatively here) would use the term AMBER ALERT to refer to anything other than a child abduction.

[FlamesAddiction]

Holy hijacked thread Batman!

Come on Dis, you must have known what he meant by "amber alert". You're just looked for a beef because you don't like what he was implying.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Oct 3 2004, 06:21 PM
Holy hijacked thread Batman!

Come on Dis, you must have known what he meant by "amber alert". You're just looked for a beef because you don't like what he was implying.

Yeah, that's it.

Jesus....didn't want to actually get into this but it looks like I'm going to have to in order to escape the prejudice.

18 months ago both of my kids were abducted walking to school (4 blocks). I thought my life was over for about 10 minutes between the time I found out they were gone and the time I found out they were ok.

That's why I'm touchy about amber alerts and pedophiles. Fair enough?

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[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Oct 3 2004, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Oct 3 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FlamesAddiction@Oct 3 2004, 06:21 PM
Holy hijacked thread Batman!

Come on Dis, you must have known what he meant by "amber alert".# You're just looked for a beef because you don't like what he was implying.

Yeah, that's it.

Jesus....didn't want to actually get into this but it looks like I'm going to have to in order to escape the prejudice.

18 months ago both of my kids were abducted walking to school (4 blocks). I thought my life was over for about 10 minutes between the time I found out they were gone and the time I found out they were ok.

That's why I'm touchy about amber alerts and pedophiles. Fair enough?

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That's awful.

It's none of our business and particularly mine, so don't reply if you don't feel like it. Just curious as to how have the kids have coped and is everything alright with your family?

What's happened to the perpetrator?

Again, ignore this or reply at your leisure.

Cowperson

[RougeUnderoos]

Jesus I'm glad somebody said something. I am very infrequently rendered speechless but you had me there.

I'll use Cowperson's words. That's awful. I'll offer a somewhat lame sounding...

I hope everything is going well for your family now.

[CaramonLS]

Yep that is definately awful dis and I'm sorry we touched a nerve on that subject.

[Five-hole]

Well holy crap. Yes, I was referring to the terror level warning. Sorry to have pushed your buttons but that really wasn't my intent. Amber, orange, it's all the same to me. I plead ignorance.

To that subject, however, I would ask the original poster if he believes that there is no threat of terror in the United States and that all the terror alerts since 9-11 have been the result of the Bush administration trying to manipulate public perception?

I wouldn't say there are no terror threats to the USA. But I have seen Wag the Dog and I certainly wouldn't put this past the current administration.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Well, you're right....and that's why I was hedging about getting specific.

What happened to the perpetrator is found in the first link. He's in prison for a whopping 6 more years if he gets good behavior.

We're watching them closely, but so far they have dealt with it remarkably well. We moved out of the neighborhood and the shcool district in August of last year as you might know when our house was finished. So I think that may have helped. They aren't afraid to be alone or anything.

What's remarkable about the whole ordeal is that my daughter is probably responsible for the guy releasing them and my son is definitely responsible for getting the guy caught. He was 8 at the time and the description of the guy and the vehicle were bang on. He also got the guy's name off of his work ID which was hanging from the rear-view mirror. When he was being interviewed, the detectives were skeptical of that because the guy's name is Delvis (not exactly a normal sounding name especially when they knew he had a heavy hispanic accent) but that piece of information was what caught the guy on the same day this happened. My son refused to let his sister go alone. Might have played a big role in how it turned out as well.

We were crucified in the local media for being bad parents even though they had no clue who we were. I denied a dozen interview requests because I knew what would come with it. That's part of the reason I didn't want to say anything here. Humans are awfully judgemental beings.

Most of the trauma for us as a family happened that day. I went to the trial (he plead guilty) and the sentencing hearing where the judge threw out his plea agreement (he would've been out in 3 or 4 years with it). So that wasn't much fun. We were lucky. My wife didn't know what happened until they were safe (they were gone for about an hour) and there was, as I said, about a 10 minute period where I knew they had been taken and didn't know where they were (they were safe at this time) someone figured out that I didn't know that and finally told me....morons.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Five-hole@Oct 3 2004, 07:26 PM
Well holy crap. Yes, I was referring to the terror level warning. Sorry to have pushed your buttons but that really wasn't my intent. Amber, orange, it's all the same to me. I plead ignorance.

To that subject, however, I would ask the original poster if he believes that there is no threat of terror in the United States and that all the terror alerts since 9-11 have been the result of the Bush administration trying to manipulate public perception?

I wouldn't say there are no terror threats to the USA. But I have seen Wag the Dog and I certainly wouldn't put this past the current administration.

It's not your fault. You couldn't have known.

as to the original point you were making, I think the Bush administration will do everything they can to NOT raise the alert level because your thoughts are shared by a lot of people.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Oct 3 2004, 11:53 AM
And MMF...the name is taken from a child who was abducted and killed in Texas...not the color.

Yes yes yes, I know that. My point was that "amber" is also a colour and that was probably why the confusing started in the first place...

[peter12]

That was also my point as well Dis.
As RougeUnderoos said, I am totally speechless. All I can say is I am happy it turned out the way it did.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm sorry to hear that that happened to you Dis. It is a truly awful situation when stuff like that happens, but I can assure that no one takes pedophilia lightly.

Just a misunderstanding, but it's your right to be sensitive. Everyone has had some sort of injustices or violations occur to them, some worse than others. I know I'm more sensitive about some issues discussed on here for similar reasons. , so I can relate to your reaction somewhat (obviously not 100%).

[troutman]

http://www.latimes.com/

Click above link and scroll down to 2004 Electoral Vote Tracker. You can pull up an Electoral map of the US and predict the outcome of the election depending on who you think will win each state.

[octothorp]

A new Gallup poll finds it a dead heat as well, at 49-49. The same poll last week had Bush leading 52-44, so that's an eight-point swing within a week. Of course, the two interesting things will be whether he's able to keep that lead or whether it's just a blip; and how his new support breaks down in terms of the electoral college. It's at the point now where a victory in Florida or a combination of Ohio and Iowa could be enough. On the other hand, if most of his new support is in places like California and New England, it doesn't really do him any good.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10...poll/index.html

[Cowperson]

Nobody wants to comment on the evident fact the USA is just as polarized in 2004 as it was in 2000?

Does it seem odd that we've had 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, a stock market meltdown after a long period of prosperity and four years of Bush and we end up in the same identical spot we were without that stuff going on?

Cowperson

[Five-hole]

Personally, Cow, I think the 9/11 thing would have swung the vote massively to the right but Bush comes off as so incompetent (see: failing economy, bummed up war in Iraq, etc.) that it completely counteracts it. Similarly, if there had been no 9/11 I'm not sure Bush would have even a remote chance of being re-elected.

[octothorp]

One of the questions I'd like pollsters to ask is this: "Do you plan on voting the same way this election that you did last election?" I'd guess that up around 90% of people are planning to vote the same way they did last time.

On the other hand, it's possible that there's actually been a lot of movement--Gore supporters moving to Bush because of the Iraq situation and a commitment to the military; and Bush supporters who have moved to Kerry because of concerns about the economy.

I'm kinda suprised that Nader's support is as significant as it is in battleground states. I would have thought that after the last election, many of the liberals who voted for Nader would realize that they were partially responsible for Bush getting into power, and would vote Democrat this year.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Oct 4 2004, 05:01 PM
Nobody wants to comment on the evident fact the USA is just as polarized in 2004 as it was in 2000?

Does it seem odd that we've had 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, a stock market meltdown after a long period of prosperity and four years of Bush and we end up in the same identical spot we were without that stuff going on?

Cowperson

I'm not sure we were as polarized in 2000 as we are now.

Certainly the vote that year shows that, but could that be a result of people having a tough time choosing between an unappealing incumbent VP and the son of an unpopular former President?

I don't think it was as much polar views as it was there wasn't much to choose from.

This time, it's definitely polarized viewpoints and a disturbing level of hatred.