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Bobblehead · 08-24-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Wrong. See, you associate speeding with crappy driving, also the method in which the police use to enforce speeding most of the time, PhotoRadar, does not actually have an impact on reducing speed and making the roads safer.

There is a reason some provinces in Canada have banned it, because it doesn't actually work for reducing speeds, however, it does make a ton of cash. I believe there was a study done which prompted the banning, saying it was far more effective to have cops drive around in visable patrol cars, if you wanted to reduce speed.

Now, the next time I see someone get pulled over for tailgating or something similar, will be the first.

No where does he mention photo radar. Speeding isn't even specifically mentioned. You just ran off on a tangent.

CaramonLS · 08-24-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

No where does he mention photo radar. Speeding isn't even specifically mentioned. You just ran off on a tangent.

Traffic tickets are, and what are 95% of the traffic tickets handed out?

Bring_Back_Shantz · 08-24-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Wrong. See, you associate speeding with crappy driving, also the method in which the police use to enforce speeding most of the time, PhotoRadar, does not actually have an impact on reducing speed and making the roads safer.

There is a reason some provinces in Canada have banned it, because it doesn't actually work for reducing speeds, however, it does make a ton of cash. I believe there was a study done which prompted the banning, saying it was far more effective to have cops drive around in visable patrol cars, if you wanted to reduce speed.

Now, the next time I see someone get pulled over for tailgating or something similar, will be the first.

Oh I'm wrong, I guess that's the end of that.

I just gave you an example of both of what you are talking about.

1) speeding through that particular section of memorial is dangerous because of the blind yield/merge lane, also, if people are unable to merge safely, traffic gets backed up on 14th st which creats further delay and could be potentially dangerous.

2) I don't speed through there anymore and I know several people who don't because it was (and may still be) a spot where cops often set up photo radar and did it the old fashioned way.

Finally, I'm not equating speeding with crappy driving, I'm equating speeding with dangerous driving. Maybe not life threatening, but speed limits are there for a reason and whether you like it or not, speeding is more hazardous than doing the posted limit.

I'm not saying I don't speed, but I accept the fact that if I get caught it's my own fault.

GreenTeaFrapp · 08-24-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Maybe not life threatening, but speed limits are there for a reason and whether you like it or not, speeding is more hazardous than doing the posted limit.

Not in all instances. If all the traffic on a road is speeding it is actually more hazardous to do the speed limit then to speed and keep up with traffic.

Bobblehead · 08-24-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Traffic tickets are, and what are 95% of the traffic tickets handed out?

And that stat came from??

I agree with you about multinova, but that wasn't even mentioned.

And I've seen people pulled over for running red lights, and failure to come to a complete stop. Guess they didn't see that cruiser sitting there, but when he turned on his lights and came out after them, they sure took notice.

It comes down to, if you don't want the ticket, don't do the offense. If you're caught, suck it up and take responsability for your actions. It isn't the officer's fault you were speeding or whatever. Their job it tough enough without people giving them grief.

CaramonLS · 08-24-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Oh I'm wrong, I guess that's the end of that.

I just gave you an example of both of what you are talking about.

1) speeding through that particular section of memorial is dangerous because of the blind yield/merge lane, also, if people are unable to merge safely, traffic gets backed up on 14th st which creats further delay and could be potentially dangerous.

2) I don't speed through there anymore and I know several people who don't because it was (and may still be) a spot where cops often set up photo radar and did it the old fashioned way.

Finally, I'm not equating speeding with crappy driving, I'm equating speeding with dangerous driving. Maybe not life threatening, but speed limits are there for a reason and whether you like it or not, speeding is more hazardous than doing the posted limit.

I'm not saying I don't speed, but I accept the fact that if I get caught it's my own fault.

Right and my point was that if you wanted to reduce the speeding, you have to take a different approach. I'm in no way bitching about traffic tickets, because I haven't had one since I turned 18, but this current system doesn't actually discourage dangerous driving nearly as much as it could.

I'm saying, if you want to stop people from driving dangerously (including speeding), you need more traps which manually pull people over (which are rare in comparison to PhotoRadar), and have a much stronger visable police presense.

Anyways, in relation to the article, sticking more camo vans with illegally tinted windows on the street is doing nothing to address the problem of road rage. That was the point I was trying to make, and that was in relation to your comment of "have your cake and eat it too".

Vulcan · 08-24-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Oh I'm wrong, I guess that's the end of that.

I just gave you an example of both of what you are talking about.

1) speeding through that particular section of memorial is dangerous because of the blind yield/merge lane, also, if people are unable to merge safely, traffic gets backed up on 14th st which creats further delay and could be potentially dangerous.

2) I don't speed through there anymore and I know several people who don't because it was (and may still be) a spot where cops often set up photo radar and did it the old fashioned way.

Finally, I'm not equating speeding with crappy driving, I'm equating speeding with dangerous driving. Maybe not life threatening, but speed limits are there for a reason and whether you like it or not, speeding is more hazardous than doing the posted limit.

I'm not saying I don't speed, but I accept the fact that if I get caught it's my own fault.

Your example of Memorial and 14th is a good example, if the cops handing out the tickets explained to you why you shouldn't be speeding there. I agree it's a dangerous spot but all I ever saw was a photo radar van set up and all you would get is a ticket in the mail, no explanation and so no education. Most people just pay the fine and move on never understanding the danger they were causing. And no, I never got dinged there, I was always watching my speedo carefully.

CaramonLS · 08-24-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

And that stat came from??

I agree with you about multinova, but that wasn't even mentioned.

And I've seen people pulled over for running red lights, and failure to come to a complete stop. Guess they didn't see that cruiser sitting there, but when he turned on his lights and came out after them, they sure took notice.

It comes down to, if you don't want the ticket, don't do the offense. If you're caught, suck it up and take responsability for your actions. It isn't the officer's fault you were speeding or whatever. Their job it tough enough without people giving them grief.

It was pulled directly out of my rear end, it was a little bit of hyperbole. If you want me to look it up, fine, but I will bet you that the majority of "traffic tickets" handed out are ones of the speeding variety, that we both know.

Bobblehead · 08-24-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

It was pulled directly out of my rear end, it was a little bit of hyperbole. If you want me to look it up, fine, but I will bet you that the majority of "traffic tickets" handed out are ones of the speeding variety, that we both know.

Granted.
And there are some really stupid speed limits and limit changes in some areas. But if I get a ticket, it is my fault, and people who say the cops should be solving some real crimes are just being idiots.

ericschand · 08-24-2006, 12:17 PM

The jerk who threw crap at the van should be caught and should have all the penalties applied to him as a drunk driver would. Stupidity should not be rewarded by handing down a fine and saying, "Ok, you're good to go."

I'm not surprised at this at all.

Travelling down John Laurie, I wanted the left lane. Some guy in the left
lane would speed up/slowdown as I did, not letting me in. After a bit,
I figured screw it, and sped up and took the lane as I did so. A short
distance further we hit a red light. I look back and this goober is banging
on the steering wheel, gesturing, and yelling. ???? On something that
happened 30 seconds ago. On something he himself caused.

Anyways, we continue up JL, and turn right, just after Sarcee. He turns
with me and I move into the left lane. It's a hill, so I drive up the hill, and
notice a lady crossing the street. So I stop. This guy blows by me on
the right hand side, with the lady almost past my car.

He was so ****ed off at something that by now had occurred many minutes
ago, he almost ran over somebody. Probably never even realized why
I had stopped.

All because he didn't want me to get the left lane, but I took it anyways?
WTH?

ers

Superflyer · 08-24-2006, 12:52 PM

There has been lots of talk about stopping people from speeding and that is great cause that is one cause of road rage, I know when I get cut off by a person doing 130 on deerfoot as they are weaving in and out of traffic it makes me mad. But the one thing that the police need to do is to be more in the view of drivers like some people have been saying as well. They need to stop the people that drive like idiots and fine them for reckless driving and I am not sure that I should say it, but like drunk driving, revoke there licence for 24 hrs the first time and longer on a second offence. If they keep it up take it away for good.

Jayems · 08-24-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Superflyer

There has been lots of talk about stopping people from speeding and that is great cause that is one cause of road rage, I know when I get cut off by a person doing 130 on deerfoot as they are weaving in and out of traffic it makes me mad. But the one thing that the police need to do is to be more in the view of drivers like some people have been saying as well. They need to stop the people that drive like idiots and fine them for reckless driving and I am not sure that I should say it, but like drunk driving, revoke there licence for 24 hrs the first time and longer on a second offence. If they keep it up take it away for good.

Thats the problem. People are good drivers when they see a cop car around. You can spot a ghost car from a mile away (except that new white truck they have that they decked out to look like a construction truck..)

Most cops won't pull someone over on the deerfoot because its too dangerous for them to do so... i would assume that they just follow someone until they turn off... but still.

Thirdly, to that guy who said the mom in the minivan should go 130-140 to pass then slow down... I know she technically shouldn't be in the left lane, but going 140 with a kid in the car is crazy talk. (well, it seems that way to me)

There is no dicipline in driving in Canada. I come from england, and although most of my time has been spent living in Canada, when i go back home it just amazing how crazy traffic is over there, but people NEVER undertake, they actually know how to use a traffic circle (i know.. they're pretty new over here). People indicate, and the list goes on.

It is 100% my belief that Calgary has the worst drivers.

Regorium · 08-24-2006, 10:10 PM

I got photo radarred the other day for going 66 on 14th street southbound near confederation. Very very well known trap for radar there, but it's one of those roads where the limit SHOULD be 60, but isn't. It's perfectly straight, dual lane, divided in most places, yet the limit is 50. I was just cruising down it early one morning and got caught.

What really gets me is that I feel like even though I've been cheated on this ticket, I'll do what is right and pay up. Many of my friends have friends in the police force, or just take their 30-40 km/h over limit tickets to court and get them basically cut down to nothing.

As much as I hate age discrimination (I'm only 20 myself), it just absolutely gets me when some teenage asian guy in a BMW or Mercedes (obviously bought by his parents) does 130-150 and weaves through traffic. They probably think they're the best driver in the world but they're just idiots.

GreenTeaFrapp · 08-25-2006, 06:58 AM

There's some more information on this:
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/...75427-sun.html

While I don't condone the actions of the guy who threw the object, I think the woman should take some of the blame for the incident. If she's just going the speed limit as she claims (or maybe she just doesn't want to admit she was speeding) then there's no reason for her to be in the fast lane.

The fact that she can't pull into the lane to the right indicates to me that she was going slower then the cars who aren't in the fast lane. Especially when the guy who threw the object could get over. The way she was driving is what causes accidents and is far more dangerous then some guy speeding in the fast lane.

Superflyer · 08-25-2006, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

There's some more information on this:
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/...75427-sun.html

While I don't condone the actions of the guy who threw the object, I think the woman should take some of the blame for the incident. If she's just going the speed limit as she claims (or maybe she just doesn't want to admit she was speeding) then there's no reason for her to be in the fast lane.

The fact that she can't pull into the lane to the right indicates to me that she was going slower then the cars who aren't in the fast lane. Especially when the guy who threw the object could get over. The way she was driving is what causes accidents and is far more dangerous then some guy speeding in the fast lane.

Well in the article she did say she was doing 110 which is technically speeding, even though that is what most people do on average. But none the less what may have happened is that she was in the fast lane and the jerk off came flying up behind her doing 130 or 140 as we all know happens quite a bit. She sees this in her rearview and tried to move over for him but cannot. This has happened to me so I know it can happen. Then a gap finally appears and since it comes to him first as he is behind he takes it and freaks on her for not moving out of his way because obviously he is so VERY important and deserves to have the roadway cleared for him as he is a speed racer.

I am not going after what you said here I am just stating a scenierio that may have played out.

GreenTeaFrapp · 08-25-2006, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Superflyer

Well in the article she did say she was doing 110 which is technically speeding,

I thought the speed limit on the Deerfoot was 110? I know that one of the first things I noticed when I arrived in Calgary this year.

ken0042 · 08-25-2006, 07:23 AM

Most of Deerfoot is 100.

I believe south of 192 ave SE and north of Beddington Trail it's 110 though.

But when I tell me driving stories I tend to re-paint them in that I was in the right too; especially when the other party isn't around to challenge what I say.

Nehkara · 08-25-2006, 07:32 AM

I'm really glad that didn't happen to me... I would have freaked and overreacted.

On to speeding:

I got a $150 PhotoRadar ticket two days ago for going 124 km/h on Deerfoot when I was alone on the road. I wasn't impressed.

GreenTeaFrapp · 08-25-2006, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

Most of Deerfoot is 100.

I believe south of 192 ave SE and north of Beddington Trail it's 110 though.

Well, I've only been on Deerfoot from the Airport to downtown. At least I know I wasn't seeing things when I remember signs saying 110.