Why is France called an Ally of the US?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

I wish all you fascists would quit discrediting us intelligent people with your "anti-american" banter.

Fascists.

Discredit us intelligent people.

Nothing says "respect me" like immediately disrespecting those you debate with.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Fascists.

Discredit us intelligent people.

Nothing says "respect me" like immediately disrespecting those you debate with.

I was proving my point through obvious sarcasm. Calling someone fascist is just as outrageous as calling someone anti-american.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

You can't be serious!

You seriously believe that Harper doesn't care if Bush acknowledges him or not? There is ignorant, and then there is you. Either you have no idea about the concept of "left wing" vs. "right wing" or you are just blowing smoke out of your ass.

Of corse Harper wants to make buddy buddy with Bush, why do you think they elected who they did as U.N. ambassador? Why do you think Harper met with Bush and Fox two months after being elected? Why do you think Harper actually said he was going to work on Canada-U.S. relations?

I wish all you fascists would quit discrediting us intelligent people with your "anti-american" banter. You probably would've called us anti-German during the Holocaust too, just to try to tarnish our reputations.

What I would like to know, is what happened to your memory and what the conservatives did to this country during the late 80's early 90's. Is it that long ago that the name "Mulrooney" or better yet, "Campbell" does not intice a sick feeling in your stomach? Does the national debt, GST, or scandal (which, was much worse than under Martin - we're talking cabinet ministers here) ring a bell?

Yes, but continue disregarding anything intelligent. Yes, that's it. We must still be upset about Layton... Therefor our criticisms must be void. Heaven forbid you actually post something that is intelligent or academic rather than just name-calling.

Read a book, man.

Wow, when I think there are dumb people out there, then I read your posts and the average IQ of the population inevitably goes up.

You did read my post didn't you? You DO know what 'politics' is don't you?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

peter12 = (I've always wanted to use that smiley)

Your childish posts never cease to amaze me.

You know, you can just sit there and use insults time after time to try and hammer your point across, or you can maybe try getting your point across by providing some proof, some research, an opinion, ANYTHING. Name-calling is a sign of weakness and frustration. Even your name-calling techniques are poor at best; "brainless ideologue" ... my cat calls me worse things when she wants milk.

Give it up man, you're just insulting yourself!

What do I think about the GST? I think it was the tories that installed the GST in the first place, so who better to lower it than... the tories. That 1%, that is going to save me maybe $5 this year, is probably going to cost future generations thousands as the deficit is inevitably going to rocket as it did with the last tories.

peter12, I think the Romper Room has a forum you might be a little more cut out for...

Once again kid, answer my question... Are you aware of the difference between neo-liberalism and Tory Conservatism?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

I was proving my point through obvious sarcasm. Calling someone fascist is just as outrageous as calling someone anti-american.

No it's not! Calling someone a fascist is an outright insult. You're PROUD to be Anti-American!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

I was proving my point through obvious sarcasm. Calling someone fascist is just as outrageous as calling someone anti-american.

Yet you're the one going around and labeling the US government as facist, when in fact they are FAR from it.

Is that typical UN rhetoric BS?

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

I was proving my point through obvious sarcasm. Calling someone fascist is just as outrageous as calling someone anti-american.

I'll give you that the fascist comment (however demeaning and totally un-like the anti-american comments) was in jest.

That said, your other comment is still inflamatory. "Discredit us intelligent people" implies that you only think that anti-american people are intelligent.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by calculoso

That said, your other comment is still inflamatory. "Discredit us intelligent people" implies that you only think that anti-american people are intelligent.

Well, I can't really argue with that...

But there is something intrinsicly wrong with that statement, I never said that fascists weren't intelligent, I am implying that if you see obvious problems with U.S. policies, you are intelligent. There is a difference.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Wow, when I think there are dumb people out there, then I read your posts and the average IQ of the population inevitably goes up.

You did read my post didn't you? You DO know what 'politics' is don't you?

Usually I don't even warrant your posts with a response, but this one is hillarious.

Of corse I don't know what politics are, I only have a poli sci degree...



I love watching you neo-cons squirm... the stuff that comes out of your mouths is priceless!

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

Usually I don't even warrant your posts with a response, but this one is hillarious.

Of corse I don't know what politics are, I only have a poli sci degree...



I love watching you neo-cons squirm... the stuff that comes out of your mouths is priceless!

I thought you had a degree in International Relations?
Lies catching up to you are they?

haha

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

Usually I don't even warrant your posts with a response, but this one is hillarious.

Of corse I don't know what politics are, I only have a poli sci degree...



I love watching you neo-cons squirm... the stuff that comes out of your mouths is priceless!

Hah, I thought it was IR. You still haven't shown whether you know the difference between Mulroney's and Harper's politics.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I thought you had a degree in International Relations?
Lies catching up to you are they?

haha

International Relations IS poli sci! What else would it be?

You guys are unbelievable!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

International Relations IS poli sci! What else would it be?

You guys are unbelievable!

IR is simply a small part of poli sci. However, IR at the UofC is seen as a seperate and distinct program from political science, although you will end up taking a handful of poli sci courses.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

International Relations IS poli sci! What else would it be?

You guys are unbelievable!

You are so funny

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by peter12

Hah, I thought it was IR. You still haven't shown whether you know the difference between Mulroney's and Harper's politics.

IR is political science. You learn that in poli 201. So is comparative politics, policy studies... Political Science is an umbrella for different disciplines. If you cared to read the introductory paragraph of a poli sci text, you would know that.

Yeah, I can tell you the difference between a red tory, but it's irrelevant. All you're trying to do is create a difference between Mulrooney and Harper, which there might be, but the people involved are all the same. How many MPs served under Mulroney? Look at the appointments Harper has made, and lest us forget one of the first meetings Harper had after the election, it was with, of corse, Mulroney. Harper hasn't established any significant policy that anyone would be able to classify his ideological beliefs.

If you want, I can tell you the differnce between different ideologies, but I guess that would just make me a "brainless ideologue"

[White Doors]

MOD EDIT: Watch the name calling

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

IR is political science. You learn that in poli 201. So is comparative politics, policy studies... Political Science is an umbrella for different disciplines. If you cared to read the introductory paragraph of a poli sci text, you would know that.

Yeah, I can tell you the difference between a red tory, but it's irrelevant. All you're trying to do is create a difference between Mulrooney and Harper, which there might be, but the people involved are all the same. How many MPs served under Mulroney? Look at the appointments Harper has made, and lest us forget one of the first meetings Harper had after the election, it was with, of corse, Mulroney. Harper hasn't established any significant policy that anyone would be able to classify his ideological beliefs.

If you want, I can tell you the differnce between different ideologies, but I guess that would just make me a "brainless ideologue"

You're still having a lot of trouble distinguishing which is which.
Of course IR is under the "umbrella" of political science. But you have said you are taking IR as a degree, which at the UofC doesn't place as much focus on political science as it does a combined element of things. So I question your knowledge on basic tenets of political science. Mainly your repeated assertion that Harper is a clone of Mulroney. The Red Tories were awful, they became a corrupt and almost identical clone of the Liberal Party of Canada. High taxes and deficit spending is NOT conservatism, but I'm sure you know that.

MPs? Look at how many former Reformers were elected as Con MPs. Much of Harper's cabinet is composed of former Reformers. I certainly hope you know the difference between Reform and the PCs.

As for Harper's policy, well it has a distinctly conservative bent to it. Although in this minority government situation, it's obvious he is not able to introduce the fiscal reforms that he wants to.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I think you were already brainless before you went to school truth be told.

Then I guess the UofC has really high enrollment standards, and I guess being brainless is a requirement for grad school.

According to you, if you believe something different, you are brainless which is an early warning sign of, FASCISM!!!

Yeah, opposition is brainless. We all should just be told what to think, and if they're different, we're stupid!

Ha ha ha, you guys are nuts!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

Then I guess the UofC has really high enrollment standards, and I guess being brainless is a requirement for grad school.

According to you, if you believe something different, you are brainless which is an early warning sign of, FASCISM!!!

Yeah, opposition is brainless. We all should just be told what to think, and if they're different, we're stupid!

Ha ha ha, you guys are nuts!

No, no, no. Believing something and refusing to provide good, solid, and logical arguments to back it up is prerequisite for being brainless. Also the constant mockery and insults are really not helping your case any.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by peter12

You're still having a lot of trouble distinguishing which is which.
Of course IR is under the "umbrella" of political science. But you have said you are taking IR as a degree, which at the UofC doesn't place as much focus on political science as it does a combined element of things. So I question your knowledge on basic tenets of political science. Mainly your repeated assertion that Harper is a clone of Mulroney. The Red Tories were awful, they became a corrupt and almost identical clone of the Liberal Party of Canada. High taxes and deficit spending is NOT conservatism, but I'm sure you know that.

MPs? Look at how many former Reformers were elected as Con MPs. Much of Harper's cabinet is composed of former Reformers. I certainly hope you know the difference between Reform and the PCs.

As for Harper's policy, well it has a distinctly conservative bent to it. Although in this minority government situation, it's obvious he is not able to introduce the fiscal reforms that he wants to.

Oh please, what you're talking about is elementary ideological categorization. Anyone who picks up a newspaper can tell you the difference. The only thing you are trying to do through your tactics is categorize Harper as something you have absolutely no proof of. The only proof you have of what Harper's ideological stance is, is whatever the Conservative Party of Canada has told you. Unfortunately, you are going to have to do some critical thinking of your own rather than just accepting what you are told. I don't think I have to tell you what kind this kind of rationale resembles, but it starts with f and ends with ascism.

Until I see some concrete evidence of Harper's policies, I am not categorizing him as anything. What I have observed in his short term in office is the remarkable number of people that worked for Mulroney have now resumed their post. Mulroney can possibly go down as the worst PM in Canada's history, but yet Harper has made minimal effort to cut the ties with him completely. Which should make anyone uneasy.

As for an almost identical clone of the Liberal Party of Canada, you should do some research on exactly how much WORSE Mulroney was in comparision to that of Martin. The PC scandal makes Martin's liberals look like Mother Theresa.

High taxes and huge deficits might not be under the textbook definition of conservatism, but the Liberals (and I'm not even a Liberal supporter) actually lowered the deficit, and they couldn't even manage to bring it lower than it was before the PC's took power.

This is my question to you, if you are so anti-big L Liberal, and have such a negative view of Mulroney, who were you supporting in the early 90's? The NDP? The Bloc? By your posts, that would seem contradictory, so you must've been supporting the PC's... and now you're supporting Harper. Thanks for ruining my country, AGAIN!