Plot to blow up planes foiled

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Thank you for putting words in my mouth. Did I say Bush or anyone else was responsible? Nope. All I said was that something doesn't seem right.

Ok sorry, your right you didn't say bush. I am simply going on the basis of many of your previous arguments. The problem that I have is, we catch some terorists before they do something and the first thing that comes to your mind is, what a minute, somethings not right here, there might be a conspiricy involved here.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Duty Free stores have been closed as well.... overreaction anyone?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok sorry, your right you didn't say bush. I am simply going on the basis of many of your previous arguments. The problem that I have is, we catch some terorists before they do something and the first thing that comes to your mind is, what a minute, somethings not right here, there might be a conspiricy involved here.

No, that's the first thing that came to YOUR mind. I stated that something doesn't seem right and where my point of reference was gathered from. Al Qaeda is supposedly fractured and incapable of concentrating resources to make attacks. This plan is more elaborate than the one that was originally suggested by the guy who planned the other attacks, and he found they didn't have the resources to make them happen, fiscally, technically or from a human perspective. But now the plan is supposed to be executed when the organization is fractured, resources are non-existent? Something doesn't add up. You tell me what your analysis of the situation is.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Duty Free stores have been closed as well.... overreaction anyone?

They hate us for our freedoms.

Seriously, who is winning the war on terror? If the mere suggestion of an attack in the UK can cause this ripple effect over to North America, and this type of reaction, I think they're doing a better job than our side is.

[Blaster86]

Actually, what bugs me the most about this is the CBC and CNN are making it out like this was the only planned terrorist act since 2001.

"Well it's the 5-year anniversary of 9/11 so they obviously wanted it to be big."

"This was obviously Al-Qaeda trying to do more damage around the same time as they did it the first time."

Because you know Al-Queda is now sitting around in their caves going "****! They ****ed up the plan! That was our only plan! **** me! Now what do we do? Yo, al-Masri you got anything? No? **** why didn't we have more than one plan! I knew we should have done more after 9/11!"

It's like they have completely forgotten about the terrorists arrested in Canada not even 4 months ago. Or the London bombings last year. Not even factoring in how many plots are apparently thwarted each day.

It seems like they are just making a big deal out of it in the states just because it is close to senate and congress election time.

[Table 5]

so jordon and jolinar, still think london isn't a dangerous place for terrorists to congregate?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

You don't break a 50 person operation over night. There are warning signs when that's going to happen. Something just doesn't smell right.

Who said they broke it overnight?

Gee whiz, another Lanny CT.

[Gugstanley]

So Lanny how can we win this war on terror?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Gugstanley

So Lanny how can we win this war on terror?

with more war of course!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Gugstanley

So Lanny how can we win this war on terror?

Start by respecting the wishes of the other nations. The reason Arabs react to the west the way they do is because the think they are being oppressed by the west's actions. The west needs to start treating these other nations as we would want to be treated. That means not taking their lands away from them, not starting wars against them, not profiteering at their expense and, most importantly, observing their traditions and laws. Once we start doing that we have will hopefully find some common ground and a starting place to solve differences. Those differences can only be solved through education and negotiation. At that point terrorism becomes socially unacceptable and it snuffs itself out.

[ken0042]

Looks like Hollywood is ready to cash in on this one:

(Warning- contains some swear words)
New Movie

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Duty Free stores have been closed as well.... overreaction anyone?

Didn't they also close down the Calgary Tower and evacuate Bankers Hall on 9/11?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Table 5

so jordon and jolinar, still think london isn't a dangerous place for terrorists to congregate?

What?? When did I say there weren't terrorists in the UK???? In fact I have always said due to their immigration policy (and the rest of eurpoe) they have become a haven for terrorists. That will happen here to if we continue to have this idea that Hezbollah is some noble cause fighting for their country. They are fighting for Iran and thats it.

It makes me sick seeing people march in Ottawa waving Hezbollah flags and NDP and Bloc polititians marching with them.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Duty Free stores have been closed as well.... overreaction anyone?

Yup. And the terrorists probably love it....

Edit: I ended up echo'ing Lanny.

[kermitology]

While I normally watch this guys video blog because it's funny, today it's got the sentiment of what's wrong in terms of dealing with terrorism right down pat.

http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archi...8/081006.html# (Might be NSFW language, actually, quite certainly NSFW language)

Basically, if you allow yourself to be scared by the threat of terrorist activities, then the goals of terrorism have been achieved. The goal is not destruction, death or other related carnage. It's crippling the West in the FEAR of what is to come.

I say BRING IT.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Duty Free stores have been closed as well.... overreaction anyone?

Totally, in the same vein as tweezers and nail clippers.

Before the plane tasks off they should just gas everyone so the entire plane is knocked out for the trip, they'll avoid all problems then. They wouldn't need to serve drinks, wouldn't need to charge $5 for a sandwich or $3 bucks for headphones, heck wouldn't even need any in flight entertainment. Everyone would just wake up and the plane would be sitting at the gate with the doors open sure you might have some people not wake up but that's a small price to pay to prevent the tiny % chance of an attack.

(Sorry, these mindless restrictions are a sore point with me)

Oh, and why do the sick and those with babies get special treatment? If someone is willing to blow themselves up then why wouldn't they blow up their rugrat too? Your child can be a martyr with you, fun for the whole family.

I was scheduled to fly the evening of 911 and would have happily gotten on a flight then and would happily get on a flight now with a plane load of manicurists carrying the tools of their trade in one hand and a full Nalgene bottle in the other.

Being vigilent is one thing, living in fear is another...and as others have said fear is what they want.

[Shazam]

If you're going to Calgary International Airport, there are signs everywhere saying that you can carry liquids on your carry on luggage. However, US Customs is confiscating liquids on carry on items and pulling those people aside for further questioning.

I just dropped my brother off there and he phoned me about this once he got past customs.

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

What?? When did I say there weren't terrorists in the UK???? In fact I have always said due to their immigration policy (and the rest of eurpoe) they have become a haven for terrorists. That will happen here to if we continue to have this idea that Hezbollah is some noble cause fighting for their country. They are fighting for Iran and thats it.

It makes me sick seeing people march in Ottawa waving Hezbollah flags and NDP and Bloc polititians marching with them.

Do you have any idea WHY these people are terrorists? Obviously not. You don't see Israelis terrorizing NYC, The Pentagon, or London. Why? Because the U.S. is Israel's bitch, and they do not bomb Israel or have anti-sematic policies, unlike their anti-Islamic policies. The whole reason people terrorize is because of people like you and your racist/fascist beliefs against arab populations. The state of Israel is a much bigger terrorist organization than Hezbollah, but why look at both sides of the story? The last time I checked, Israel was killing Lebanese not just the other way around. To say that this conflict is completely Hezbollah's fault is ridiculous and ignorant.

You don't like the idea of free speech? You don't like the idea of opposition? You're more of a threat to national security than all the arabs in the world combined. You know what makes ME sick? The fact that people think that more aggression in the region is actually going to stop terrorism. Think about it. The fact that people in Canada are actually realizing the two sides of the conflict in Lebanon is saving a lot of people in the region from creating anti-Canadian sentiments.

I have no idea why you are even making the connection between Hezbollah and the terrorist plot, as there has been no evidence for the correlation whatsoever, however I don't think you're the type of person who cares about anything like justice, or proof. From what I've been hearing, it has a probability of coming out of Pakistan. But I think I know your type: you negatively stereotype the entire region without any knowledge of it whatsoever.

Of corse London is a hot spot for terrorism, look at their foreign policies. If you were actually surprised at the discovery of another terrorist plot for the U.S., you are ignoring the facts.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Start by respecting the wishes of the other nations. The reason Arabs react to the west the way they do is because the think they are being oppressed by the west's actions. The west needs to start treating these other nations as we would want to be treated. That means not taking their lands away from them, not starting wars against them, not profiteering at their expense and, most importantly, observing their traditions and laws. Once we start doing that we have will hopefully find some common ground and a starting place to solve differences. Those differences can only be solved through education and negotiation. At that point terrorism becomes socially unacceptable and it snuffs itself out.

I'm not sure there is anything the west can do, so long as there is Radical fundamentalism, Islamism. I agree that education is key, especially the education of women, but that is anti-thetical to Islamism.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/print/fait...106_print.html


MARTIN AMIS: Well, Islam is the great religion that has been the donor of countless benefits to mankind, that led the world in civilization throughout the Middle Ages, gave us algebra and all kinds of intellectual breakthroughs of all kinds, plus an example of tolerance that nowhere else in the world could offer at that time. A level of tolerance and respect for justice. That is Islam.

Islamism started after the First World War when the last empire was lost, the Ottoman sided with Germany in First World War. And then, you know, if you can stand way back from it all. You can imagine Islam very much reduced. It's coming towards modernity. And instead of advancing down that road, it turned round and the great leap backwards began. That's Islamism. But when Islamism got going instead of saying, "Okay, to come into modernity, we need to put slightly less emphasis on Islam." And the great leap backwards said, "No, we would need total emphasis on Islam."


BILL MOYERS: I told you when I reached out to you and asked you to join me that I kept on my bulletin board at my office an essay you wrote one week after 9/11. You wrote, "Weirdly, the world suddenly feels bipolar. All over again, the West confronts a way of thinking that is essentially and unappeasably opposed to its existence." So they're never going to rest until we are eliminated?

MARTIN AMIS: That's the program. They say it's a cosmic war and an eternal war. They're going to war forever against us. Norman Mailer again has another phrase, "A tolerable level of terrorism." And that's sort of jumped out at me rather. And I can quite imagine in 15 years' time, Western politicians in some countries praising themselves for reducing terrorism to a tolerable level. But eradicating I don't think is a possibility.


BILL MOYERS: Is there any possibility that fundamentalist Islam is full of contradictions, too, in this world, and that it could be its own enemy in time?

MARTIN AMIS: I think it will atomize. And also there will be sectarian strife within it. Also, I think that it is so fantastically poisonous that in its most millennial form, Islamism, not Islam, Islamism is so poisonous that it will burn itself out. Imagining the kind of full victory of Islamism with blood flowing bridle deep in the city squares. You have to look to Nazi Germany or Stalinist Kampuchea to see anything quite so ferocious and death-fueled and, as you know, Nazism lasted for 12 years and Pol Pot lasted for 3 1/2. It tends to burn itself out.

[jolinar of malkshor]

I will tell you why Israel isn't terrorizing London or NYC. Because they are not crazy fundementalists. This has nothing to do with Islam and if you think it does your are a fool. This has to do with people killing other people.

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know me so well that you can lable me a Racist and a fascist. Nice.... I HATE anyone (ie: Hezbollah) who highjacks a country (lebanon) and uses the guise that they are freedom fighters when all they are doing is conducting the affairs of Syria and Iran. When they hide in civilian homes and fire rockets out of the bedroom window and hope Israel will attack that location and kill the family so that they get more ######s like you to support their cause.

Never have I said Israel has not killed Lebanese citizens. Yes it happens, its war and it shouldn't happen at all, but Israel has a right to live and they have a right to protect them selves. If Hezbollah didn't set up shop in every second civilians house there wouldn't be nearly the civilian causualty. I would rather have forces go in and protect Lebanon, they are the actual casualities in this conflict, Hezbollah could give two ****s about the people of Lebanon.

What the ****??????????????? Are you off your meds???????? Hezbollah has been a banned organization and declared a terrorist entity by the Canadian government. As far as I am concerned people running around the streets waving Hezbollah flags is no different then sending them money and against the law. I have no problems with denoncing the attack by Israel and showing support for Lebanon, but when you support a terrorist organization, you are no better than they are.

As far as your comment about people thinking that this conflict will reduce terrorists, not sure where you got that from because I never said that. The more people Israel kills in Lebanon, the more people the push into Hezbollah's organization.

Please show me where I made a connection between Hezbollah and this bomb plot in London. Oh thats right I DIDN'T.

Again......you really know me don't you. Show me anywhere where I made comments that I didn't support Justice or Proof. On the contrary, your the one that appears to not agree with justice. Can't hold Hezbollah to account for attacking Israel or kidnapping its solidars.

Again.........WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. I have only denounced people and organizations associated with terrorism. Show me where I generalized an entire region. Thats right.

No, the reason London is a hot spot for terrorism is because terrorists can operate much easier in democratic countries with rights and freedoms and they have aloud a huge influx of immigrants into their country without verifing whether or not they were afiliated with terrorist organization.