Fox News: We're All Going To Die!

[Dogbert]

That site you got the video from is... interesting. Why don't they just pledge allegiance to the terrorists and be done with it?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I agree with everything you said except that any other President would have seen heads roll. My suspicion is that every President has engaged in illegal activity of this kind. This one actually changed the law to do it.

Well, the jury is still, so to speak, out on whether Bush in fact CAN change the law to do whatever he likes. There is that annoying constitution thingy which limits his powers somewhat--and indeed which stipulates that he can't change any laws at all, not being himself a legislator. (there's the matter of his "signing statements" too--but that's a subject for another thread--indeed, one may already exist).

The thing is, though--I actually agree that in the age of terrorism, the government should monitor certain people, in a very targeted way. I just think there should be judicial oversight of that process. Nobody thinks that the NSA shouldn't wiretap terrorists--but what the NSA wants is the right to do it without having to get a warrant from a judge. That's pretty much, well--gestapo stuff. How do we know they're being responsible with the information they obtain? To whom are they accountable? Right now the answers are "we don't" and "nobody"--and that's not acceptable. The age of global terrorism calls for more freedom and transparency, not less.

After all, if they truly hate us for our freedom, don't we win the culture war by making ourselves more free?

[Hakan]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Unless of course surveillance on free citizens is increased.

Fox News raises the alarms of a nuclear device in a U.S. city and champions the further degradation of individual freedoms in a special report even a little wacky for them.

Hezbollah 'certain' to nuke major city.

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/20...797&frame=true

laugh

What a hilarious video. The guy they interview is from the "Centre for Mass Destruction Defence." Among some memorable quotes:

"It's a very real threat... It's a real threat for us now."

"What's going to happen is sometime in the future there will be a nuclear weapon used in the United States and certainly a radioactive device..."

"What are the ramifications?"

"There's not doubt in my mind that there will be a radiological device detonated soon and probably a nuclear device in the next ten years."

Man we make fun of Oilers fans and their kool-aid. This is ridiculous. It's ridiculous that this thinking dominates policy circles in the U.s.

[atb]

Not that I trust FOX News as a reliable source for information this line stuck with me:

"Dallas: Sometime in the future there's going to be a nuclear weapon used in the United States - certainly a radiological device is going to be used and a lot of radioactivity is going to fall on American citizens."

In my opinion, in today's political and economical environment, it isn't hard imagine a nuclear device being used in or against the US. As more and more countries become a nuclear power, it's only a matter of time until a nuclear device is used intentionally or unintentionally. It's even more concerning that such a device may be used by groups or movements that can't be labelled as coming from a specific country, which is what most of us will call terrorists.

I guess the problem with FOX is they suggest that this threat is imminent, but realistically this could happen anytime from now to the next hundred years.

[badnarik]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

^^^^ It's all about fear. The neo-conservatives have been using that as a strategy for over 20 years. It's worked to keep a ###### in the oval office, so why stop? Expect to see more "threats" in the leadup to the election.

it's not just the neocons playing this card. kerry was the one saying dirty bombs or nukes would come through the containers in our ports because bush wasn't doing enough. i guess he is a member of the same secret society, though.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by badnarik

it's not just the neocons playing this card. kerry was the one saying dirty bombs or nukes would come through the containers in our ports because bush wasn't doing enough. i guess he is a member of the same secret society, though.

Fine he's (Kerry) terrible and shouldn't be president. Let's apply that same starndard elsewhere shall we?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Fine he's (Kerry) terrible and shouldn't be president. Let's apply that same starndard elsewhere shall we?

You'll get no argument here. The dems aren't going to win back the White House until they can find a candidate who can successfully appear sincere and not cynical and manipulative. Part of the problem in the U.S. right now is that only one of the parties understands how politics works. Ironically, this results in the perception that Dems are more political, when the truth is that they're politically clueless.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

That site you got the video from is... interesting. Why don't they just pledge allegiance to the terrorists and be done with it?

who me?

As for the site i got the video from?! Dude...its google video...

This video is as hard on the Islamists as they are on the neocons...anyone with some degree of objectivity would be able to see that.

[badnarik]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Fine he's (Kerry) terrible and shouldn't be president. Let's apply that same starndard elsewhere shall we?

i didnt mean kerry was terrible. just pointing out that both sides will use fear or anything else that they think will help them win an election.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Poor John Kerry...destined to become a footnote of one of the greatest political smear campaigns in the history of politics...

1 Silver Star, 1 Bronze Star, 3 Purple Hearts...volunteers for Vietnam...

compared to?

Bush serving for the National Guard...in alabama?
Cheney? Who deferred 5 or 6 times?

Pure genius, whoever ran that campaign for the Republicans....

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Pure genius, whoever ran that campaign for the Republicans....

Rove, sometimes refered to as The Prince of Darkness.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Rove, sometimes refered to as The Prince of Darkness.

I think Pearle is actually the "prince of darkness" due the bags under his eyes...Rove, well, he's known as "bush's brain"...

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

who me?

As for the site i got the video from?! Dude...its google video...

This video is as hard on the Islamists as they are on the neocons...anyone with some degree of objectivity would be able to see that.

No, not you. I clicked on the link, and the video's hosted by InformationLiberation.com, who aren't exactly reporting the events in the Middle East without bias.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

No, not you. I clicked on the link, and the video's hosted by InformationLiberation.com, who aren't exactly reporting the events in the Middle East without bias.

ahh...sorry.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Pure genius, whoever ran that campaign for the Republicans....

I don't know if it was genius or just a sad commentary on how stupid some people actually are.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't know if it was genius or just a sad commentary on how stupid some people actually are.

I beg to differ somewhat. I agree that people are pretty easily duped in American politics--they tend to let smear campaigns and negative ads have too much of an impact on the decisions they make. Moreover, people turn to the media to help them understand issues--and since the media tends not to report on those issues in an unbiased fashion, the public's understanding of key issues is often bizarre and skewed.

But politicians have themselves to blame for this. Politics in the U.S. stopped being about direct democracy a long time ago. Nowadays, most Americans perceive (correctly, IMO) that which party they choose makes no particular practical difference to their life. Ironically, this means that ideology is the only reason to vote for one party or another--which leads to more single issue voters and more extremists on both sides who determine the political direction of the country. As a result, a lot of people check out of politics altogether, and tune in only to be duped by the twin spin machines of the two party system.

[Daradon]

DFF,

Jumping in here for a second. Just have to say that if you (or anyone else believes) that this report is not reputable, then I just ask, why is it argued so vehemently on a major station? I'm all for new and different ideas, but to report something AS TRUTH on a major station is another thing entirely. There is a undermining purpose here. This is NOT journalism, and the fact that it masquaerdes as such is what makes it dangerous.

[Vulcan]

I've always taken the view that the media should act as a government watchdog, not be in bed with the government, as Faux news. This is one reason that I didn't like the Herald's shift to the right. Calgary already had the right wing Sun and with a Conservative government with almost no opposition, who was left to keep tabs of our government. I would have the same dislike for this arrangement if it was skewed to the left.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by greasesuck

Last time I checked I wasen't paranoid, do yourself a favour join the american army, go to Iraq, and parade around with your american flag.

Whats wrong with joining the military, being sent to Iraq(usually you don't pick where you go) and being proud of serving your country?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

You'll get no argument here. The dems aren't going to win back the White House until they can find a candidate who can successfully appear sincere and not cynical and manipulative. Part of the problem in the U.S. right now is that only one of the parties understands how politics works. Ironically, this results in the perception that Dems are more political, when the truth is that they're politically clueless.

And sadly, the Republicans aren't doing much better with their candidates either.

The US needs a man that can lead, someone who is inspiring to the people. Someone like JFK.