Harper to Bring Home Evacuees on Government Plane

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Your $400 check will pay for jack ****. I am not prepared to spend my hard earned dollars to bring foreigners to this country and then once they get here they will claim refugee and we will pay for all their welfare.

People like you have NO idea how much it cost to do something like that.

I can see this thread ending well. Not that I totally disagree with you. But the CP hippies will be out in full force methinks.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Absolutely. Tell you what, if they set up a program like this I will gladly donate my $400 Alberta cheque I'm receiving (for doing not a damn thing but living in a prosperous province I might add) in order to save a few lives.

My goodness, how's your car doing? How's your house doing? How's that X-Box, that stereo, that bed, that paycheque doing? I take it nothing has been bombed recently?

Pretty comfortable? I could imagine so. I know I am. We take this country for granted.

Your probably one of the ones who wants free health, free transportation, free education, welfare for every looser who doesn't want to work and have everyone else pay for it.

People like you really tick me off.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok, you can pay for that then.

If your not willing to pay an extra couple bucks on taxes to save thousands of peoples lives wether they are Canadian or not than there something seriously wrong with you.

My guess is theres some racial undertones here, since why would we want any god damn foreigners in OUR country!!!!!! how did we get here by the way?


EDIT- and did you really need to quote the same guy three times?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

If your not willing to pay an extra couple bucks on taxes to save thousands of peoples lives wether they are Canadian or not than there something seriously wrong with you.

An extra couple??? Holly cow are you out to lunch. I get nickled and dimed enough, I pay enough in income taxes, no more.

This little program to help Canadians alone will cost well over 50 million dollars just for air fare. That doesn include the boats, hotels, food and relocation costs once they get to Canada.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

If your not willing to pay an extra couple bucks on taxes to save thousands of peoples lives wether they are Canadian or not than there something seriously wrong with you.

My guess is theres some racial undertones here, since why would we want any god damn foreigners in OUR country!!!!!! how did we get here by the way?


EDIT- and did you really need to quote the same guy three times?

Holy cow, just so you know a foreigner means any one who is not from that country. I dont care if they are pink, black, yellow, brown, British, American, Spanish or Middle Eastern. It's sick how people like you throw around the race card so easily when it has nothing to do with anything.

for·eign·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fôr-nr, fr-)
n.

1. One who is from a foreign country or place.
2. One who is from outside a particular group or community; an outsider.

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foreigner
n 1: a person who comes from a foreign country; someone who does not owe allegiance to your country [syn: alien, noncitizen, outlander] [ant: citizen] 2: someone who is excluded from or is not a member of a group [syn: outsider]

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

An extra couple??? Holly cow are you out to lunch. I get nickled and dimed enough, I pay enough in income taxes, no more.

This little program to help Canadians alone will cost well over 50 million dollars just for air fare. That doesn include the boats, hotels, food and relocation costs once they get to Canada.

think about it for a minute here. Lets say this thing is SOLEY paid for by the peoples taxes and no government revenues or past money saved from taxes was used. Now lets assume that 1/3 canadians pay income tax (theres obviously more) for your supposed 50 million dollar costs it would cost each one of those tax payers an extra five dollars. If your not willing to pay an extra 5 dollars (that I'm sure you must REALLY need) to save innocent lives than **** them they're a worthless piece of ****. If I got told my extra 5 dollars was going to be used for this I would say thank you and feel proud I was given an opportunity to finally see my money put to good use. But I guess some dickheads figure some lives are worth the cost of one night of their families slurpees or a couple of beer after work........

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Holy cow, just so you know a foreigner means any one who is not from that country. I dont care if they are pink, black, yellow, brown, British, American, Spanish or Middle Eastern. It's sick how people like you throw around the race card so easily when it has nothing to do with anything.

for·eign·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fôr-nr, fr-)
n.

1. One who is from a foreign country or place.
2. One who is from outside a particular group or community; an outsider.

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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

foreigner
n 1: a person who comes from a foreign country; someone who does not owe allegiance to your country [syn: alien, noncitizen, outlander] [ant: citizen] 2: someone who is excluded from or is not a member of a group [syn: outsider]

I highly doubt if it was a bunch of british foreigners being sent here you'd be worried about them leaching off the welfare.........

[Calgary Flames]

Damn those brits! Stealing all our tea and biscuits! Do you know how much tax i'm going to have to pay to get more tea and biscuits imported?!!1

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

think about it for a minute here. Lets say this thing is SOLEY paid for by the peoples taxes and no government revenues or past money saved from taxes was used. Now lets assume that 1/3 canadians pay income tax (theres obviously more) for your supposed 50 million dollar costs it would cost each one of those tax payers an extra five dollars. If your not willing to pay an extra 5 dollars (that I'm sure you must REALLY need) to save innocent lives than **** you your a worthless piece of ****. If I got told my extra 5 dollars was going to be used for this I would say thank you and feel proud I was given an opportunity to finally see my money put to good use. But I guess some dickheads figure some lives are worth the cost of one night of their families slurpees or a couple of beer after work........

$50 million was the absulute minimum just to start. HELLO. That was only for 25,000 of the 40,000 Canadians and not any other people. Not sure if your aware of this but once they get here they need to be housed fead and clothed for the intire duration of their stay and who knows how long that will be. As we all know costs ALWAYS go up. The gun registry which was suppose to be 2 million Oh YA 2 Billion. So it will most likely cost several billion dollars if not more.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I highly doubt if it was a bunch of british foreigners being sent here you'd be worried about them leaching off the welfare.........

Boy you are a few bricks short of a load.

I said I don't care who had to come or what situation it was whether France invaded England or whatever, we dont need to pay for those kinds of costs, besides it makes no sense what so ever to ship these people half way around the world when it would be much cheaper to do it regionally.

If we go with your arguement, we might aswell just help every poor person in the world and work for them. Screw making a life for yourself there are to many poor people in the world.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

$50 million was the absulute minimum just to start. HELLO. That was only for 25,000 of the 40,000 Canadians and not any other people. Not sure if your aware of this but once they get here they need to be housed fead and clothed for the intire duration of their stay and who knows how long that will be. As we all know costs ALWAYS go up. The gun registry which was suppose to be 2 million Oh YA 2 Billion. So it will most likely cost several billion dollars if not more.

Several billion dollars!?!?!?!?!

Please


These people have some money make them pay what the can afford cover the rest and I'm guessing maximum (and yet again this is guessing same as you as we both don't know **** about what it would actually cost) 500 million, so now it's 50 dollars (once you throw in donations a thing such as this would recieve as well as the fact the government pays for some it would likely cost anywhere from 25-35 dollars extra). 50 extra dollars over the entire year is nothing to save these peoples lives. Even if it cost an extra 100 dollars you wouldnt feel thousands of innocent peoples lives who on their own, without help couldnt afford to do this and some would likely die, aren't worth it?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Several billion dollars!?!?!?!?!

Please


These people have some money make them pay what the can afford cover the rest and I'm guessing maximum (and yet again this is guessing same as you as we both don't know **** about what it would actually cost) 500 million, so now it's 50 dollars (once you throw in donations a thing such as this would recieve as well as the fact the government pays for some it would likely cost anywhere from 25-35 dollars extra). 50 extra dollars over the entire year is nothing to save these peoples lives. Even if it cost an extra 100 dollars you wouldnt feel thousands of innocent peoples lives who on their own, without help couldnt afford to do this and some would likely die, aren't worth it?

That is thier home and it is a very small area that Israel is targeting. Many people can go else where in the country and the UN can help with food and shelter there.

You and I are just going to disagree so there is no point in arguing further.

Just a question for you. Maybe we should help the poor starving children in our own country before we start shipping more here. That is the logical thing to do.

[Nehkara]

Why are we in a ****ing match here?

Most of the other countries are arranging transportation for their own citizens but if there are a few in a particularly bad situation and we have room, bring them along. It's pretty simple.

I am not a supporter of Harper or his government but I commend him for this action. A truly Canadian thing to do.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

If your not willing to pay an extra couple bucks on taxes to save thousands of peoples lives wether they are Canadian or not than there something seriously wrong with you.

My guess is theres some racial undertones here, since why would we want any god damn foreigners in OUR country!!!!!! how did we get here by the way?


EDIT- and did you really need to quote the same guy three times?

No racial undertones. It's simple. Our taxes pay for Canadians to be brought out. Last time I checked, you didn;t have to be a white supremacist to be Canadian.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

Why are we in a ****ing match here?

Most of the other countries are arranging transportation for their own citizens but if there are a few in a particularly bad situation and we have room, bring them along. It's pretty simple.

I am not a supporter of Harper or his government but I commend him for this action. A truly Canadian thing to do.

That is what is happening. CBSA officials have been instructed to facilitate CLOSE family members of Canadian Citizens on thier entry to Canada. That doesn't mean we open the door for another 40,000 refugees.

[Kybosh]

I was listening on the radio this morning about how England, the USA and France were all estimating evacuating something like four or five thousand citizens each. Canada on the other hand has forty thousand apparent citizens. It is not my position to say who should or shouldn't be a citizen but several good points have been made about Canada perhaps being too lax in this matter.

Why does Canada have that many more Lebanese-Canadian citizens than the other, more heavily populated countries? Personally, I feel that everyone that wants to be evacuated should be but I wouldn't rule out them paying their own way. Something about this whole situation feels like Canada is being taken advantage of to a certain extent. Anyway, I hope it is a learning experience whatever the outcome.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Whatever man... if they have Canadian ties its fine. If its for the sake of saving a few lives, no matter how "Canadian" they are- then I'm for it.

Let us not make the mistakes of the World War 2 era which questioned our nation's integrity and ethics- turning away a boatload of Jews. These are innocent people.

I can buy your first thought of saving lifes but equating the present day crises to the boatload of Jews is off the wall.

I can't buy that we have 40 or 50,000 Canadians on holidays or are temporarly working in Lebanon. It's good to be altruistic but somehow I feel we are being played.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Your $400 check will pay for jack ****. I am not prepared to spend my hard earned dollars to bring foreigners to this country and then once they get here they will claim refugee and we will pay for all their welfare.

People like you have NO idea how much it cost to do something like that.

Jolinar, there's right-wing- and there's being a greedy dick. I realise its mandatory for all Albertans to be capitalistic- but again- that doesn't mean you have to be a dick. You pay 1/3 of your money in taxes? What's that? Oh right... poor you. Boo hoo. Guess what? I pay taxes too. So does everybody on this site (I hope.. unless you don't have to). What's that? You pay $30,000 a year in taxes? So you make what, like, in or around $90K a year? And you can't give like $10 to a program that would save lives? Tell you what. Since your such a penny pincher, I'll pay your $10 for you. Hope you enjoy not getting bombed tonight.

Meanwhile, Chinese people are being brought in to cool the labor shortage in Fort Macmurray. Why not bring in some of the Lebanese, whose houses ARE NOW A PILE OF RUBBLE. Your telling me you can't delay those $300 sunglasses a month so that a family can live? I don't know how much stuff costs? I'm a pot-smoking hippie? You know me like you know your head from your ass, but I love the beautiful sweeping generalizations. Guess what? I'm not proposing 5 Canadians pay for 50,000 people's lives to be saved. I'm proposing 30 million Canadians pay for it. So lets see 30 million times $10/person is $300,000,000. That's enough to get them here, and probably enough to set them up. And if it isn't, do what you can with it. $10 is a Quizno's sub. And I'm not saying fly them here business class with champagne and escargot either. No I'm saying bring SOME people, save SOME lives on a temporary basis. We live in a global community, and our ridiculously isolationist Western hemisphere perspectives cloud that fact sometimes. Bring some people to Fort Mac, get them to build some infrastructure for them to live in. Get them to go on the rigs if needed. Yes. Rigs. Those things that drill for oil that manage to grant you a bonus $400 last year- and again this year.

I never meant to debate delicate issues like social assistance or welfare, things that you decided to bring up in some odd greedy tangent. I'm here to debate the fact that while your sipping your fresh water, breathing our fresh air, sleeping in your warm bed- families in Lebanon are getting SHOT AND BOMBED. So excuse me if my understanding of the situation in terms of comparing their lives to ours includes the belief that there should be an extremely slight financial sacrifice to help others. If everybody does it- then it isn't a burden... is it?

I think you get my point, if you've even read this far. After all- time is money I guess right Jolinar?

Time to go light up again- since I'm a pot smoking hippie.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

The official photographer is actually a woman. And Harper basically comes out and says that part of the reason he is going is symbolism.

Can anyone here imagine Chretien doing this or Paul Martin being able to pull this off?

Politics aside, the Liberals are a little better at painting pretty pictures and playing the PR game than the Conservatives are. They would have thought of this too.

It's a good thing to do, but it's not exactly rocket science.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Jolinar, there's right-wing- and there's being a greedy dick. I realise its mandatory for all Albertans to be capitalistic- but again- that doesn't mean you have to be a dick. You pay 1/3 of your money in taxes? What's that? Oh right... poor you. Boo hoo. Guess what? I pay taxes too. So does everybody on this site (I hope.. unless you don't have to). What's that? You pay $30,000 a year in taxes? So you make what, like, in or around $90K a year? And you can't give like $10 to a program that would save lives? Tell you what. Since your such a penny pincher, I'll pay your $10 for you. Hope you enjoy not getting bombed tonight.

I just cant get over the irony of this post when you start it off telling someone else not to be a dick.