Terrorism hits India

[Azure]

Interesting Cheese.

Kinda leaves you wondering how the world is going to turn in the future.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You've got an awesome theory going too. Everything is black and white and if you don't like it, go to war. Yeah, that's it, we'll solve all problems by blowing them up. Bush is trying that and we're ending up with more terrorists. Time to give your head a shake and try more diverse methods of solving this problem.

Meanwhile 200 people are dead.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Fundamentalism.

How do you stop it? Reading this blurb I dont think you can.

The Message is aimed at the world's 1.4 billion Muslims, many of whom have been engaged in a civil war of ideas for the last three centuries, the period of Muslim political decline. The successive fall of mighty Muslim empires, such as the Moghuls in India and eventually the Ottomans in the Middle East, led Muslims to inquire into the causes of their downfall. Instead of recognizing scientific and intellectual stagnation as the reason for their lack of material progress, many early Muslim revivalists attributed Muslim debility to a combination of Western conspiracies and Muslim neglect of military preparedness.

Muslim reformers since the 19th century, on the other hand, have argued that Muslims need to look at their own history critically to understand their collective weakness. Reform movements in the Islamic world have maintained that Muslims have something to learn from the ascendancy of the West, beginning with the European Renaissance and Reformation.

Contemporary jihadists have rejected this approach. They see themselves as reversing Muslim decay by reviving religious militancy. They play on the many post-colonial grievances of Muslims and are aware of the Muslim desire for restoring their past glory. This approach is precisely why, in an era of terrorism in the name of Islam, the battle for Muslim hearts and minds is the key to success in the war against terrorism.

Very interesting. I've read that Osama Bin Ladin is fufilling the same role for Islam that Martin Luther fufilled for Christianity. Except that he is taking it into the opposite direction.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by CalgaryDesi

The media totally disgusts me.

CFRN in Edmonton didn't even have it as the top story in the news

I doubt it will be on the first page of the Herald/Journal or Sun either tommorow.

That's pathetic...this isn't much different from 9/11, and people will forget about it tommorow morning, if anyone has even cared..difference is , this is in a 3rd world country so the lives of those innocent people that were taken away must mean nothing

Okay, forget 9/11. See the London Bombing last year, same type of scenario. This year's India bombing has already killed way more people, and injured far more, and yet it's apparently no big deal

This topic speaks for itself - 11 posts!

Same way people ignore the fact that 1 million people died in the Tutsi genocide in Rwanda in 1994. How was that any different from the Holocaust? Yet, none of the teachers in my school ever mentioned it. Watch Hotel Rwanda for the full story of that event - the United nations did not come to help out the innocents because a) they were black b) it was a 3rd world nation.

I completely agree. It seems people don't care about others unless they can identify with them culturally. Over 200 people dead and not one single person at work has mentioned it. Yet after 9/11 and the Spanish and UK transit attacks it was being discussed everywhere.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by CalgaryDesi

The media totally disgusts me.

CFRN in Edmonton didn't even have it as the top story in the news

I doubt it will be on the first page of the Herald/Journal or Sun either tommorow.

That's pathetic...this isn't much different from 9/11, and people will forget about it tommorow morning, if anyone has even cared..difference is , this is in a 3rd world country so the lives of those innocent people that were taken away must mean nothing

Okay, forget 9/11. See the London Bombing last year, same type of scenario. This year's India bombing has already killed way more people, and injured far more, and yet it's apparently no big deal

This topic speaks for itself - 11 posts!

Same way people ignore the fact that 1 million people died in the Tutsi genocide in Rwanda in 1994. How was that any different from the Holocaust? Yet, none of the teachers in my school ever mentioned it. Watch Hotel Rwanda for the full story of that event - the United nations did not come to help out the innocents because a) they were black b) it was a 3rd world nation.

###. I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way.

I remember the Asian Tsunami - 250,000 people dead. Media coverage? 2 days.

Hurricane Katrina - 4,000 dead. Media coverage? We're still hearing about it now. The worst part is, most of the dead is because of a refusal to evacuate. They had ample time to get out, but just refused, whereas the tsunami was in an instant.

[jolinar of malkshor]

You people have to realize that regional news gets played more then news from other continents. I can guarantee you that the news agencies in Europe did not cover Katrina like CNN did.

[Lucky boy]

Solving the Isreal - Palestinian conflict would go a long way in stoping terrorism

[O_M_A]

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

Solving the Isreal - Palestinian conflict would go a long way in stoping terrorism

How would you suggest that this conflict be resolved?

Much easier said than done....

[Lucky boy]

Originally Posted by O_M_A

How would you suggest that this conflict be resolved?
Much easier said than done....

Obviously it is difficult...and yet governments are invading and droping shells all over the place instead of actualy making this an international issue that needs to be solved immediately.

Terrorism is an idealogy that can be easily brainwashed to oppressed people

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Fundamentalism.

How do you stop it? Reading this blurb I dont think you can.

The Message is aimed at the world's 1.4 billion Muslims, many of whom have been engaged in a civil war of ideas for the last three centuries, the period of Muslim political decline. The successive fall of mighty Muslim empires, such as the Moghuls in India and eventually the Ottomans in the Middle East, led Muslims to inquire into the causes of their downfall. Instead of recognizing scientific and intellectual stagnation as the reason for their lack of material progress, many early Muslim revivalists attributed Muslim debility to a combination of Western conspiracies and Muslim neglect of military preparedness.

Muslim reformers since the 19th century, on the other hand, have argued that Muslims need to look at their own history critically to understand their collective weakness. Reform movements in the Islamic world have maintained that Muslims have something to learn from the ascendancy of the West, beginning with the European Renaissance and Reformation.

Contemporary jihadists have rejected this approach. They see themselves as reversing Muslim decay by reviving religious militancy. They play on the many post-colonial grievances of Muslims and are aware of the Muslim desire for restoring their past glory. This approach is precisely why, in an era of terrorism in the name of Islam, the battle for Muslim hearts and minds is the key to success in the war against terrorism.

The obvious answer to "How do you stop it?" is said in the last sentence of you article.

"the battle for Muslim hearts and minds is the key to success in the war against terrorism."

This isn't a quick or sexy solution and doesn't mean we shouldn't protect ourselves in the meantime but we have to change people's hearts through education and communication.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

WTF are you supposed to do with terrorists?

Appeasement doesn't work (e.g. Israel, Caledonia)
Negotiation doesn't work (e.g. Everywhere)
Blowing 'em up doesn't work (e.g. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel)

Giving in is not an option, because the only way to "give in" to people who are deranged enough to blow up civilians for their cause is to cease to exist. I'm not ready to do that.

Absolutely futile.

The answer is education and development. Look, terrorists still exist in the middle age mentality and a lot of this is driven by their religious leaders. These are everyday teenagers and young men who are feeling the lack of purpose and sense of belonging and hope that everyone goes through. This is excerbated by their living environment and economic conditions. These leaders give them a god given purpose and they get ultra passionate about it to the point where they lose all ties to humanity and become so cold they feel nothing about killing hundreds of people.

Unfortunately, the process of education and development of their societies may take decades or even centuries.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Regorium

###. I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way.

I remember the Asian Tsunami - 250,000 people dead. Media coverage? 2 days.

Hurricane Katrina - 4,000 dead. Media coverage? We're still hearing about it now. The worst part is, most of the dead is because of a refusal to evacuate. They had ample time to get out, but just refused, whereas the tsunami was in an instant.

That still stands out to me. Absolutely terrible tragedy, and the media passed over it like it was old news.

[Sharpen 'Em]

Originally Posted by Azure

I guess they can just sit back and allow more attacks to happen.

Awesome theory you got going there.

Nobody ever said that India was supposed to go to Iraq and fight the "WOT", but it would help their people if they started doing it in their own country.

India started fighting terrorism in their own country decades ago.

Awesome armchair commanding you're doing there.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The answer is education and development. Look, terrorists still exist in the middle age mentality and a lot of this is driven by their religious leaders. These are everyday teenagers and young men who are feeling the lack of purpose and sense of belonging and hope that everyone goes through. This is excerbated by their living environment and economic conditions. These leaders give them a god given purpose and they get ultra passionate about it to the point where they lose all ties to humanity and become so cold they feel nothing about killing hundreds of people.

Unfortunately, the process of education and development of their societies may take decades or even centuries.

Good analysis, raisng the economic conditions would give these people some hope. If you don't have hope, you're ready to buy into almost anything. I'm not saying this is the complete answer, but it is one of the approaches besides trying to bomb them back into the middle ages.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its great to say that education is the answer and economic development is the answer, but the extremists that run in these regions would never let that happen. You could build hospitals and schools and they would blow them up. You could send teachers and they would kill the teachers and the extremists would continue to twist the minds of the young.

Yes education and economic hope are a large part of this, but the mistake in the war on terror is that your making progress by killing the average foot solider or terrorist. You need to send special forces in to kill the leadership, and kill thier replacements and keep doing it until these groups crumble. You need to find the funding sources and cut them off so they can't but weapons. You've got to kill thier experienced leaders and players so inexperienced replacements come in and make mistakes.

The serpeant might have a hundred heads that keep growing back, but you have to keep them off balance and keep cutting them off, you need to get them running so that you can have a safe environment to build up the economy and educate the masses.

Just my two cents.