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transplant99 · 07-10-2006, 08:21 PM

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Ballpark atmospheres are great.

Its all about the beer.

And hotdogs.

And peanuts.

And beautiful women on a hot sunny day/warm evening in the outdoors.

Yeah....baseball does have its qualities.

Eastern Girl · 07-10-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Its all about the beer.

And hotdogs.

And peanuts.

And beautiful women on a hot sunny day/warm evening in the outdoors.

And hot players in tight pants.

Table 5 · 07-10-2006, 08:26 PM

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And beautiful women on a hot sunny day/warm evening in the outdoors.

man, you weren't watching the world cup were you? you should have seen all that amazing italian and brazilian talent in the seats. mama mia!

Winsor_Pilates · 07-10-2006, 08:28 PM

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Wouldn't the fatigue eventually lead to a letdown and a goal?

I think they should try going longer than they do now. 30 minutes ( I think that's what they are doing now) is not enough.

You're probobly right.
Eventually fatigue will decide the game. I wouldn't mind seeing it tried. It may work out great.
Then again, fatigue in soccer generally results on less goals. It's not like hockey where you can get a bounce around the net that works out. In soccer it takes so much effort to even build a play, without energy, the teams would likely be able to defend easily. There's barely any shots in soccer as it is.

Also, I think some people wouldn't want the game decided on fatigue either though. They may see that as a skill-less win.

Another issue that keeps shootouts in the game is time constraints. TV networks that cover soccer are very concerned with the time limits the game has.

I guess the world wide support for soccer is a major part of the problem. You can't please billions of people. There will alway be people who want it a different way.

transplant99 · 07-10-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

man, you weren't watching the world cup were you? you should have seen all that amazing italian and brazilian talent in the seats. mama mia!

It was, by far, my favorite part of it all.....

And yes EG....i tend to omit those things, but not on purpose!

Regorium · 07-10-2006, 08:30 PM

If you guys watched the NBA playoffs this year, I think some of you would've been hooked. It's gotten pretty boring over the last several years, but this year was absolutely amazing. They set records for games decided within 3 points, and set records for games that went into overtime. That's how close each team was to each other.

The NBA went through an NHL-esque year where they cut down on the "obstruction" (hand checks) and clutch/grab game. You see the stars dominate, the teams execute free-flowing game. No longer is it just toss the ball into shaq and watch him slam dunk.

On to the topic at hand...yeah, diving in soccer is pretty ridiculous. Seeing players roll 5 times after they get hit is hiliarious. Seeing them get the stretcher out with 4 people in "DOC" pinnies s overkill for a dive. But it is still pretty exciting.

Winsor_Pilates · 07-10-2006, 08:30 PM

Interesting how much soccer vs baseball debate we're getting.

What about baseballs drug scandels vs soccers diving problems?
which is worse?

Winsor_Pilates · 07-10-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Regorium

Seeing them get the stretcher out with 4 people in "DOC" pinnies s overkill for a dive. But it is still pretty exciting.

The stretchers have more to do with continuing the game then helping the injured. whether or not the player is legitimately hurt, the stretchers get him off the field so the game can continue.
It does look funny, but it speeds things up which is necessary with the continuous clock.

transplant99 · 07-10-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Interesting how much soccer vs baseball debate we're getting.

What about baseballs drug scandels vs soccers diving problems?
which is worse?

Equally as bad.

If you dont have integrity in the sport, you have problems.

Though baseballs problems are worse on a health level for those using and those emulating, it is something they have taken strides to get a grip on, though not as quickly nor as strongly as they should have.

I see no such action in soccer....at least yet. That may change after the ridiculousness of this WC though. One can only hope at this point.

Red · 07-10-2006, 08:33 PM

Soccer is no more boring than football or baseball. Very little action between all the stoppages in those.
We find sports most exciting when we actually become fans of a certain team. Otherwise it's just a bunch of bozos chasing a puck/ball/football. We all hear that the Flames are boring to watch. Are any Flames games boring to Flames fans? Nope.

How many of you enjoyed the euro hockey we saw during the lockout? Now imagine watching the same without all the NHL players that you actually know and cheer for or against. If you don't care who wins the game is never exciting.

Jiggy_12 · 07-10-2006, 08:34 PM

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I really dont understand how you can say that though. Baseball fans tend to be heavily focused on stats and figures because the sport itself lacks the physiciallity and flow of most other sports, yet you say soccer isn't exciting enough?

I don't want this to become another baseball is boring thread, I've participated in enough of those. But, since you asked...

I love the gamesmanship in baseball. The strategy, the mind games, and I appreciate the talent it requires to hit a major league pitch. There are so many situations and scenarios during a game of baseball, soccer can't even compare.

I grew up playing both sports, but still play ball. Soccer is fun to play I will admit, but I just can't watch it. I don't really know why...I just can't.

Nothing about the sport excites me.

Displaced Flames fan · 07-10-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

Soccer is no more boring than football or baseball. Very little action between all the stoppages in those.
We find sports most exciting when we actually become fans of a certain team. Otherwise it's just a bunch of bozos chasing a puck/ball/football. We all hear that the Flames are boring to watch. Are any Flames games boring to Flames fans? Nope.

How many of you enjoyed the euro hockey we saw during the lockout? Now imagine watching the same without all the NHL players that you actually know and cheer for or against. If you don't care who wins the game is never exciting.

Not true for me.

I can watch virtually any college basketball game and any MEN'S hockey game and have it be exciting. I don't watch the NFL if the Broncos aren't playing though, so you have me there.

Regorium · 07-10-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

The stretchers have more to do with continuing the game then helping the injured. whether or not the player is legitimately hurt, the stretchers get him off the field so the game can continue.
It does look funny, but it speeds things up which is necessary with the continuous clock.

I understand the getting him off the field part, but sometimes it's just so ridiculously obvious that he can get right back up and keep playing. It's almost like he's staying down after not getting the call to save face.

Red · 07-10-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

The stretchers have more to do with continuing the game then helping the injured. whether or not the player is legitimately hurt, the stretchers get him off the field so the game can continue.
It does look funny, but it speeds things up which is necessary with the continuous clock.

Not too mention that in soccer you can't just leave the field and return at will. If you're hurting you're stuck on the field until next whistle.

Players also act up like that to catch a break and get some water.. They are on the field running for 90 + minutes and do not have a chance to go off on a line change like they do in hockey or football. Try doing running for 90 minutes in 30 + weather and you'll know exactly how hard it is not to cause a little stoppage.

Regorium · 07-10-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Interesting how much soccer vs baseball debate we're getting.

What about baseballs drug scandels vs soccers diving problems?
which is worse?

I think soccer's match fixing scandel is far far worse than drug scandels or diving problems.

Red · 07-10-2006, 08:47 PM

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I think soccer's match fixing scandel is far far worse than drug scandels or diving problems.

You mean ITALIAN soccer match fixing, right?

Wasn't aware that it was happening everywhere....

Table 5 · 07-10-2006, 08:47 PM

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I think soccer's match fixing scandel is far far worse than drug scandels or diving problems.

we all know baseball has never had problems with fixing and betting!

transplant99 · 07-10-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

You mean ITALIAN soccer match fixing, right?

Wasn't aware that it was happening everywhere....

Happened in Germany as well.....

transplant99 · 07-10-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

we all know baseball has never had problems with fixing and betting!

In 1919...yep. As far as fixing goes anyhow.

Whats that have to do with 2004 Germany and 2006 Italy?

Table 5 · 07-10-2006, 08:54 PM

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In 1919...yep. As far as fixing goes anyhow.

Whats that have to do with 2004 Germany and 2006 Italy?

How convenient that you forget to bring up Pete Rose and the controversy he brought to that sport.

Besides, baseball was fixing results of games....the only thing the italian league has been accused of is fixing which ref is in which game. Remember, NOT ONE player has been charged in any way, just officials of the teams. Baseball's current drug problems go right to the root....the players themselves. To me, that is a hundred times more shameful when talking about the integrity of a game.

Not that this should be an excuse for either. This is a shame for both sports.