Raptors trade...

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Okay, but if Chicago is set on Thomas and Toronto wants Bargnani or Aldridge, why would Charlotte trade up and give up a great young PG? It seems to me that they can stay where they are and have a 95% chance of picking up Morrison.

I'm not the one packing the rumor. But honestly, I think it's because Chicago seems to be the enigma in this draft. It seems that they want every player in the top 5. That's all. Even though Thomas cancelled his tryout with Portland citing that a team below them in the draft already guaranteed they'd take him, Chicago's denied that they've guaranteed anything to anyone. I'd tend to take the players word in this case over theirs. Anyway, to answer your question, they'd do it for security in assurance that Chicago wouldn't take they guy they need. Charlotte is the one team that really NEEDS a guy like Morrison, while all the other teams have a luxury of picking among several needs. For Charlotte it's a case of Morrison or bust.

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by octothorp

.... why would Charlotte trade up and give up a great young PG?

Brevin Knight ain't young. He's 29 and been in the league for almost 20 years.

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by fleury

while all the other teams have a luxury of picking among several needs. For Charlotte it's a case of Morrison or bust.

How is it a luxury when you need players for 'several positions' in a weak draft?

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by fleury

to be honest, I'm not to familiar with Basketball...just from a pool perspective. but I'd like to see Bosh do a little more offense and leave the D to the specialists.

Bosh's specialty IS his defence. His knock is that he's an undersized PF playing center. ...and when I say, "undersized" I mean, he's too skinny. He needs a bit of weight. He's the number one option on Toronto, averaging 20+ per. How much more offence do you want? ...oh wait, you're not too familiar with basketball.

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by Mike__

Also why do the Raptors need someone who can step in right away? Aren't they in rebuilding mode? I sure hope your not talking Bargnani because honestly, I don't see what the hype is all about. He is Good but definitely not the clear #1 in this draft.

Remember CV last year? People questioned his work ethic, drive etc. but has done nothing but impress.

Even though I'm positive they're not picking Rudy Gay #1 overall, they still need players to step in right away because they don't have anything except Chris Bosh. They are in rebuilding mode, however, they need to make the playoffs and they can't have teams like orlando, New Orleans and Charlotte surpassing them.

People weren't questioning Charlie's work ethinc or drive last season, they were questioning his ability to play in the league and questioning Rob Babcock's decision to select him at #7 overall. At the time, it was proposterous to see him drafted so high when he should have been chosen somewhere late in the 1st round

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

Even though I'm positive they're not picking Rudy Gay #1 overall, they still need players to step in right away because they don't have anything except Chris Bosh. They are in rebuilding mode, however, they need to make the playoffs and they can't have teams like orlando, New Orleans and Charlotte surpassing them.

People weren't questioning Charlie's work ethinc or drive last season, they were questioning his ability to play in the league and questioning Rob Babcock's decision to select him at #7 overall. At the time, it was proposterous to see him drafted so high when he should have been chosen somewhere late in the 1st round

How do you know that? It was rumored that 2 teams within the next 5 picks were going to take a flyer on him.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

How is it a luxury when you need players for 'several positions' in a weak draft?

you know what I mean. Charlotte needs scoring, and with Morrison as the best player for strictly scoring, he's the only player they need. Those other teams have so many needs that they can choose who they want to fill various positions.

[StrayBullet]

I don't even like Toronto, but if they were to take someone, I'd hope it would be Rudy Gay. He's ready now. He's ready to play in the league now and that's what this team needs; to make the playoffs now. It can't possibly sustain being a bottom feeder for this long. There's promise and potential for the Raptors now and Rudy Gay is now.
....but again, I digress because I don't think they want to take Rudy Gay at #1. If they make a trade for another player and slip to 3 or 4 or (if he's still around) #5 then, yes. It would make more sense for them. Rudy Gay was the #1 prospect mid-season, personality and a poor tournament lowered his stock.

[Antithesis]

Maybe I'm blind or stupid or biased, but it seems like the Raps need a PG and Morrison was great to watch this year. I'd much rather him than another Euro experiment.

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Maybe I'm blind or stupid or biased, but it seems like the Raps need a PG and Morrison was great to watch this year. I'd much rather him than another Euro experiment.

Getting Morrison would NOT, repeat, NOT fulfill a need at the point guard position.

[O_M_A]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Maybe I'm blind or stupid or biased, but it seems like the Raps need a PG and Morrison was great to watch this year. I'd much rather him than another Euro experiment.

They need a pass-first Point Guard; Morrison will probably play in the NBA as a SF. The Raptors already have Rookie of the Year Runner-Up Villanueva at that position and really don't need Morrison to put up more points. They need somebody to distribute the ball.

This draft is weak when it comes to those pass-first PG's; the only player that really fits the bill is Marcus Williams but he's got big time character issues apparently.

I'd be pretty shocked if the Raptors didn't trade down and take Bargnani. Seems like the smartest play right now.

[StrayBullet]

^^^I don't think that'll be adressed in the draft. No free agent point guards are that attractive, either. I'm not a big Mike James fan because i think he's a ball hog, but the chemistry is there with his teammates. ...and if Chris Bosh is endorsing him and making media statements to keep him, then it's a tough decision for Colangelo. Do you try and get a better point guard or do you maintain your franchise player happy?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

^^^I don't think that'll be adressed in the draft. No free agent point guards are that attractive, either. I'm not a big Mike James fan because i think he's a ball hog, but the chemistry is there with his teammates. ...and if Chris Bosh is endorsing him and making media statements to keep him, then it's a tough decision for Colangelo. Do you try and get a better point guard or do you maintain your franchise player happy?

you do the right things as a GM and get the best player for the position...regardless what Bosh wants. The last thing they need is another Air Canada episode.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

Bosh's specialty IS his defence. His knock is that he's an undersized PF playing center. ...and when I say, "undersized" I mean, he's too skinny. He needs a bit of weight. He's the number one option on Toronto, averaging 20+ per. How much more offence do you want? ...oh wait, you're not too familiar with basketball.

Dude, tone down the insults to people.

This is a hockey forum first and most people don't have a lot of experience with basketball, just watch it casually and might not be as hardcore as you are. So really man - help people understand and don't treat them like crap.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Maybe I'm blind or stupid or biased, but it seems like the Raps need a PG and Morrison was great to watch this year. I'd much rather him than another Euro experiment.

Morrison wouldn't help in that regard because he plays the SG position and is a shooter first.

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Dude, tone down the insults to people.

awwwww.... muffin. Are you trying to give me an on-line personality adjustment? Relax.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by StrayBullet

awwwww.... muffin. Are you trying to give me an on-line personality adjustment? Relax.

Yep, cool it - try talking respectfully to people if you wish to engage them in conversation.

[toonmaster]

i guess this rules out a rumoured trade with indiana

to toronto: jermaine oneal, indiana's 1st round pick
to pacers: charlie vill. , 1st overall pick

personally i would have done this in a heartbeat, i am not a fan of charlie v. and think he is much overrated and playing over his head

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by toonmaster

i guess this rules out a rumoured trade with indiana

to toronto: jermaine oneal, indiana's 1st round pick
to pacers: charlie vill. , 1st overall pick

personally i would have done this in a heartbeat, i am not a fan of charlie v. and think he is much overrated and playing over his head

Jumo would've been worth it 3 years ago, but he's been playing hurt and he has somewhat lost a step. He's a tough player to play with too. He'd demand the ball waaaaay too much and in turn would hinder Chris Bosh from truly developing into the type of player Toronto wants him to be.
You can't really say Charlie is "overrated" because he wasn't supposed to be good enough to play in the L when he got drafted. He didn't see much in terms of double-teams, so the jury is still out on his offensive capabilities. He's pretty athletic and plays tough defence....what more do you want from a small forward who was a #3, #4 option on your team?

[StrayBullet]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Yep, cool it - try talking respectfully to people if you wish to engage them in conversation.

I'll remember that, sweetie. thanks!