New Metallica Song

[habernac]

it worked out better in the long run as we got both Megadeth and Metallica.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by rubecube

But Hammet isn't an original member. I believe he's their third ryhtm guitarist. That and their new bass player isn't half the player Jason was.

No, he was brought in when they fired Dave Mustaine who was an original member. When I think of original members of Metallica and I think of the members who were there after Kill Em All was released so I consider Hammet an original member.

As far as Trujillo and Newsted there's alot of people who would beg to differ with you on that. Alot of people and even Metallica themselves say that Trujillo is very similar to Cliff Burton who was their original bassist until he was killed in a bus crash in Sweden. I dont know if you know this either but Trujillo did not have any part in St. Anger. He was hired after the album was finished and just before the MTV Icon show. The upcoming album is his first with the band.

[habernac]

Bob Rock did all the bass on St Anger I believe. Too bad they still don't record with Fleming Rasmussen .

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Inferno

No

Well its not working for me.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by habernac

Bob Rock did all the bass on St Anger I believe.

That's true. I dont know if you've already heard this but they've parted ways with Rock and are recording the new album with Rick Rubin.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Inferno

You have to keep in mind too that he screwed his voice up pretty bad making the Black album and needed to see a vocal coach to show him how to use his vocal cords properly without damaging them. Maturity played a big part in his voice changing too. I dont think it's changed that drastically though as some people make it out to be.

The Black album featured his voice at his best point. IMO, anyway.

Nobody rivals him with more fierceness and aggresion.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

But Hammet isn't an original member. I believe he's their third ryhtm guitarist. That and their new bass player isn't half the player Jason was.

You're splitting hairs. Hammett (two t's) was the guitarist since before the release of their first studio album, Kill 'em All. If that isn't good enough for you, or you want to consider Dave Mustaine the true original member because he helped record a demo tape (compared the the eight albums and two compilations Hammett has contributed to) then fine, but it's a pretty silly argument.

And yes Cliff Burton and Jason Newsted were both heads and tails above the current bassist Rob Trujillo (maybe he just hasn't been able to make his mark yet) but the third bassist in 24 years probably isn't going to have a lot of affect or sway on the band. He's mostly just there to play the songs they already have.

Metallica has definitely gone down over the years, but I'd still take a bad Metallica album over 90% of the other stuff that's released out there. I've got the all the albums and even though I have ones I definitely listen to a lot more (Lightning through to Black) I'll through each of them in every once in a while. I actually really enjoyed the S&M album, though the first half of the second disk was a little weak.

The first time I saw them in 96 I believe for their Load tour, it was amazing. Energetic, exciting, and long. Saw them on the second show of their St. Anger tour, not as good, but still a good show. And got to meet six of the Flames on the floor! (This was just after they took out Detroit)

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well its not working for me.

Try this:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22441189/...n_6.6.mp3.html

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

But Hammet isn't an original member. I believe he's their third ryhtm guitarist. That and their new bass player isn't half the player Jason was.

Thats your opinion.

Hammet would be considered original as he was the lead guitarist on Kill 'Em All.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You're splitting hairs. Hammett (two t's) was the guitarist since before the release of their first studio album, Kill 'em All. If that isn't good enough for you, or you want to consider Dave Mustaine the true original member because he helped record a demo tape (compared the the eight albums and two compilations Hammett has contributed to) then fine, but it's a pretty silly argument.

And yes Cliff Burton and Jason Newsted were both heads and tails above the current bassist Rob Trujillo (maybe he just hasn't been able to make his mark yet) but the third bassist in 24 years probably isn't going to have a lot of affect or sway on the band. He's mostly just there to play the songs they already have.

Metallica has definitely gone down over the years, but I'd still take a bad Metallica album over 90% of the other stuff that's released out there. I've got the all the albums and even though I have ones I definitely listen to a lot more (Lightning through to Black) I'll through each of them in every once in a while. I actually really enjoyed the S&M album, though the first half of the second disk was a little weak.

The first time I saw them in 96 I believe for their Load tour, it was amazing. Energetic, exciting, and long. Saw them on the second show of their St. Anger tour, not as good, but still a good show. And got to meet six of the Flames on the floor! (This was just after they took out Detroit)

I agree with most of what you're saying but St. Anger was horrid. And do you consider Ringo Starr an original member of The Beatles? What about Brian Johnson for AC/DC?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Try this:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22441189/...n_6.6.mp3.html

Thank you very much!

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I agree with most of what you're saying but St. Anger was horrid. And do you consider Ringo Starr an original member of The Beatles? What about Brian Johnson for AC/DC?

I would say that the line-up that created the first studio album or wide release album would be the original line-up for any band.

Bands are pretty dynamic things, especially in their early days. Always changing. That's just how I would see 'original'.

I hated St. Anger when it came out, I've lessened my vitriol for it, even learned to like some of it, but yeah I think it's their weakest album, even worse than ReLoad. The band in general seems to have lost a lot of their edge, usually what happens after a band 'sobers up'.

That said I'll still check out and probably buy the new album. I may feel like a sucker for it later, but they were my favporite band for a long time and even though they aren't anymore, I still got a spot in my heart, my CD case, and my wallet for them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I agree with most of what you're saying but St. Anger was horrid. And do you consider Ringo Starr an original member of The Beatles? What about Brian Johnson for AC/DC?

Kirk Hammet was there for the first CD. He hasn't left since.

[Hakan]

I'd like to commend Metallica for being an integral part of one of the funniest movies I've seen all year, Some Kind of Monster.

Man that movie was hilarious. What a bunch of idiotic goofs.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

S&M is the only one I still listen to. Brilliant production on that and I think the symphony adds a lot to the songs. Michael Kamen is quite gifted.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Hakan

I'd like to commend Metallica for being an integral part of one of the funniest movies I've seen all year, Some Kind of Monster.

Man that movie was hilarious. What a bunch of idiotic goofs.

Yes, they're idiotic goofs for trying to keep their band together. Maybe if some other bands out there would have did what they did they would still be around instead of breaking up way too soon. But just like Hetfield going to rehab isnt the "metal" thing to do hiring a therapist to give you advise on how to communicate better with each other and not only keep your band together but keep your friendship together isnt the "metal" thing to do. Some people take that **** way too seriously and forget that although these guys make more money than we can only dream of having that they can very well have the same problems we go through.

[Hakan]

That movie is like real life Spinal Tap. They are petty, insecure, stupidly rich, rockstars.

One of my favourite scenes is when James decides to screw off to Russia and kill a hibernating bear on his son's birthday. Nice one buddy.

Or when those morons get continually manipulated by the therapist to the point that you just can't help but laugh at them.

Or when James says that only rock can be made between the times of 1 to 4 pm and no one else in the band can work on it.

Or when Lars is all sulking in the bar when Newsted stands him up after his new band's show.

Or when they write those amazing lyrics by committee and saying, yeah that sounds cool. So the lyrics that make it are the ones that 'sound cool' instead of the ones that mean anything? And by the way, "My lifestyle determines my death style" neither means anything or sounds cool.

The best part is when Lars starts crying when he sells his preposterously over-priced and overrated giant paintings of pain and suffering.

Seriously, that movie had me glued. It was goddam hilarious!

[Ch40s]

Metallica evolved as they thought they should. Load, Re-load, and St. Anger were a result of it. They did what felt right, and I fully support them and will buy their next album regardless of any bad ratings or any negative feedback. I love Metallica!


That new song actually sounds like it's going to be pretty damn good. The quality is pretty crappy, as it is a live bootleg, but I'm excited for the new album.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Hakan

That movie is like real life Spinal Tap. They are petty, insecure, stupidly rich, rockstars.

One of my favourite scenes is when James decides to screw off to Russia and kill a hibernating bear on his son's birthday. Nice one buddy.

Or when those morons get continually manipulated by the therapist to the point that you just can't help but laugh at them.

Or when James says that only rock can be made between the times of 1 to 4 pm and no one else in the band can work on it.

Or when Lars is all sulking in the bar when Newsted stands him up after his new band's show.

Or when they write those amazing lyrics by committee and saying, yeah that sounds cool. So the lyrics that make it are the ones that 'sound cool' instead of the ones that mean anything? And by the way, "My lifestyle determines my death style" neither means anything or sounds cool.

The best part is when Lars starts crying when he sells his preposterously over-priced and overrated giant paintings of pain and suffering.

Seriously, that movie had me glued. It was goddam hilarious!

There's no denying that in some scenes they look like *******s especially Hetfield. I agree he shouldnt have skipped his son's birthday to go to Russia or that he shouldnt have been so picky about them only looking at stuff when he was there but that was part of his control issues that he had that made Newsted leave and that the therapy they went though helped him get over that and "grow up".

I really dont blame Lars for being ****ed at Newsted for doing that. If you would have watched the extras on the DVD you would see just how much of an ******* Newsted was before and after he left. Any sympathy I had for him went out the door the scene that he phones them and bitches and moans because nobody told him they would be performing before a Raiders game in the parking lot. You arent in the band anymore. Why the hell should they let you know what they're doing. The whole thing with him not being able to do his side projects had nothing to do with Lars and was all to do with Hetfield. If he wanted to stand up Hetfield then ok but doing it to the rest of the band just showed how much of a baby he was. He was probably ****ed because he probably figured once he left the band would just call it a career or beg him to come back and James would give in and let him do his side projects.

"My lifestyle determines my deathstyle" does mean something. If you're an alcoholic and you dont get help you'll die because of alcohol. The whole meaning of the song is living your life way too fast and not caring what happens. You might not think it sounds cool but alot of people do. I actually thought it sounded cool when I first heard it. And lyrics that not only sound cool but mean something make up a good song. The production on St. Anger might not be great but something it doesnt lack is meaning in most of the songs. Listen to Sweet Amber, The Unnamed Feeling, and Purify and you have a good understanding what Hetfield went though fighting alcoholism. Listen to All Within My Hands and you see how much regret he has for how he treated Newsted.

And it looks like you missed the meaning behind Lars crying over selling his paintings. Those paintings meant alot to him but they also respresented what has happened the last 10 years or so and he wanted to get rid of anything that reminded him of the bad things (the Napster backlash, Newsted leaving, .etc) about those 10 years and wanted to move on.

Only somebody that has a serious hatred or bitterness against them would laugh at things like that. There's many celebrities out there that I dont care for but I dont laugh when something bad happens to them. I have more class than that.

[Hakan]

Ok well I guess we have different senses of humour.

But I mean Lars making up this huge deal selling his crappy paintings and swilling back $300 bottles of champagne as they're being auctioned off is damn funny to me. I mean you couldn't have wrote a funnier mockumentary. I guess it's just the fact that they're such stereotypical rockstars. Lars biggest moment of pain is selling his million dollar paintings. Tough life there Lars.

And by the way, I was a huge Metallica fan. I love their first three albums. Now I just think they're a huge joke and I always think of how completely ridiculous they came off in that movie every time I hear their newer songs.

Oh and the part with Mustaine crying was friggin classic. I still have a hard time believing that movie wasn't scripted.

Did the film makers try to make them look that bad or was it inadvertent?