She had the honour and privilege to die for our freedom

[jolinar of malkshor]

I am just as ****ed off as you White for that diick heads comments but bringing age into is pointless. You can get the same kind of comment from a 40 year old

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by White Doors

When that young punk says a Canadian soldier died for nothing, THAT'S what gives me the right.

Geeze you know thats not literally what he meant, so don't try to act all high and mighty by playing dumb.

And quit saying punk.

[evman150]

Geez, sorry for being anti-war fellers.

I should have learned by now that this message board is the wrong place for broadcasting (radical) left wing sentiments.

I guess none of you would like to live in Evmanistan.

http://www.nationstates.net/evmanistan

[KevanGuy]

Cut the personal stuff. Judge a post by its content not the age of the poster.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by evman150

Geez, sorry for being anti-war fellers.

I should have learned by now that this message board is the wrong place for broadcasting (radical) left wing sentiments.

I guess none of you would like to live in Evmanistan.

http://www.nationstates.net/evmanistan

You have no right to spout off the way you dishonoured our war vets.

[Flashpoint]

I think the thread title is over the top. It implies some great noble cause and a heroic death for the betterment of all Canadians.

The motives for the war in Afghanistan are not clear cut. Some would say it is as a result of 9/11. Some would say it is part of a global fight on terror. Others would say it was an attempt to secure oil pipelines. Some would say it is meaningless. How is it that she died for our freedom? Are the Taliban going to attack Canada? Or is it the "Western Way of Life" that is being defended?

There aren't any clear answers, so lets put the war itself aside for the moment.

Is this woman a hero?

Why?

Was she a hero while she was alive? Or only after she died? Why did it take her death for her to achieve "hero" status? Isn't this disturbingly familar to the whole "martered in a holy war" BS?

She was there because she was ordered to be there. She did her job (no doubt with courage and to the best of her ability). Unfortunately the worst thing possible happened. It is a horrible thing. That said, it isn't unexpected. It is war zone. People get killed.

Why is there so much focus on Captain Goddard? Is it because she is a woman? What about all the other troops killed thus far in Afghanistan? Can you name them? Pick out their picture?

There is potential here for great discussion. Leave the name calling at home guys.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

Geeze you know thats not literally what he meant, so don't try to act all high and mighty by playing dumb.

And quit saying punk.

If you'd do your homework, you'd notice that evman150 has a long history of making stupid comments like that. So yes, that is exactly how he meant it.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

I think the thread title is over the top. It implies some great noble cause and a heroic death for the betterment of all Canadians.

The motives for the war in Afghanistan are not clear cut. Some would say it is as a result of 9/11. Some would say it is part of a global fight on terror. Others would say it was an attempt to secure oil pipelines. Some would say it is meaningless. How is it that she died for our freedom? Are the Taliban going to attack Canada? Or is it the "Western Way of Life" that is being defended?

There aren't any clear answers, so lets put the war itself aside for the moment.

Is this woman a hero?

Why?

Was she a hero while she was alive? Or only after she died? Why did it take her death for her to achieve "hero" status? Isn't this disturbingly familar to the whole "martered in a holy war" BS?

She was there because she was ordered to be there. She did her job (no doubt with courage and to the best of her ability). Unfortunately the worst thing possible happened. It is a horrible thing. That said, it isn't unexpected. It is war zone. People get killed.

Why is there so much focus on Captain Goddard? Is it because she is a woman? What about all the other troops killed thus far in Afghanistan? Can you name them? Pick out their picture?

There is potential here for great discussion. Leave the name calling at home guys.

Ummm...yes she is a hero.

Afghanistan is without a doubt a noble cause. Try a read up on the subject without the knee jerk anti-anywar activism. It would take ONLY a moment of reading to figure out ONE out of thousands of causes.

Yes the fight doesn't immediately affect our Nitendo playing time or would her lack of fighting increase it. But some of us believe it is our duty to help those, without our nintendo playing time, to have such time.

This woman stuck her nose in a firefight. Not many here can say the same. There are a few less Taliban now and everyone of them fascist dead makes this world a better place.

Oh, I do equate those that allow a 2 children die in appartment because they are too lazy to pick up a phone with those that happily stand by and see a whole country get raped.

You are garbage!

An aside for those peacniks at all cost: Afghanistan is UN and NATO lead.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by HOZ

You are garbage!

And another personal attack from HOZ. You are rapidly becoming one the most distasteful poster on this site. Does Flashpoint not have a right to his opinion? He brought up some very good points, and just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean you need to resort to childish name-calling. Grow up.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And another personal attack from HOZ. You are rapidly becoming one the most distasteful poster on this site. Does Flashpoint not have a right to his opinion? He brought up some very good points, and just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean you need to resort to childish name-calling. Grow up.

Not rapidly becoming... he already is the most distasteful poster on the site.

As for Afghanistan, depending on your belief in democracy and such, I would argue this isn't just a worthy cause for simply Canadians but for all citizens of the world. The endeavour of democracy is teh noblest thing one can die for.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And another personal attack from HOZ. You are rapidly becoming one the most distasteful poster on this site. Does Flashpoint not have a right to his opinion? He brought up some very good points, and just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean you need to resort to childish name-calling. Grow up.

But then you attack me back handedly....

As always...for the non-too-bright....

Reading versus understanding tends to be a sore point. "You" was a general term.....not a singular term.

He brought up Ivory Tower garbage talk that means nothing in the realy world.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by peter12

Not rapidly becoming... he already is the most distasteful poster on the site.

As for Afghanistan, depending on your belief in democracy and such, I would argue this isn't just a worthy cause for simply Canadians but for all citizens of the world. The endeavour of democracy is teh noblest thing one can die for.

This is UN sactioned and NATO sactioned. So which world are you talking about?

You must be some Queen..since disagree with the 'WE' is truely distasteful.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Any of our armed forces personel are heros. From the elite forces unit down to the men and women who cook and clean for all the personel.

The Taliban was evil pure and simple. They did not directly threaten Canada but by allowing their exsitance and ignoring what they were doing to their own citizens and their neighbours we would not be much better. It was actually unfortunate that it took 911 to deal with these people.

We cannot just sit by and pretend this crap is not going on in the world. They are our neighbour and just as we would not sit by and let the wife 5 houses down be beaten daily without some form of intervention we should not sit by and allow this fanatic government kill and torture their citizens.

It is going on as we speak in Darfur. Nothing is being done because we as neighbours cannot decide on how to handle the situation. Mean while millions of innocent people are displaced and murdered because of our inaction.

Its sad really.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by HOZ

But then you attack me back handedly....

As always...for the non-too-bright....

Reading versus understanding tends to be a sore point. "You" was a general term.....not a singular term.

He brought up Ivory Tower garbage talk that means nothing in the realy world.

And yet there it is again...

It's a common theme to your posts. If you want to have an intelligent discussion that's fine. No need to bash other posters though.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Is this woman a hero?

Why?

Was she a hero while she was alive? Or only after she died? Why did it take her death for her to achieve "hero" status? Isn't this disturbingly familar to the whole "martered in a holy war" BS?

She was there because she was ordered to be there.......

You almost make my point for me. In my mind she and all the rest of the Canadian soldiers over there are heros to me; because they are doing a job that I am too chicken shinguard to do myself.

Yes, there are many resons that Canada has never been invaded. But one of those reasons is people like her containing these disputes over there, and not allowing it to spread. For example if you ask the British when WWII started, they will tell you 1939. If you ask the Polish, they will tell you 1936, and if you ask America they will tell you 1941. Part of the reason was different countires didn't enter the war until it affected them directly.

Now with NATO and the UN, we enter wars while they are still small to prevent the next Hitler from slowly taking over and gaining power.

She was part of that action, and along with the rest of the men and women serving, makes her a hero in my mind.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And yet there it is again...

It's a common theme to your posts. If you want to have an intelligent discussion that's fine. No need to bash other posters though.

I will bash you because I think you posts are void of intelligence or fact. I am more than willing to accept contrary arguments that actually are part of this reality. There certainly have been very good posts to the opposition to the war in Iraq. But now the US is not at war. They are OCCUPYING Iraq. Those all for withdrawal....the consequenses will be??????

Most, not all, anti-war people are anti-Iraq, therefore by idiotic default, anti-Afghanistan (Liberals got us in there) because they are anti-Bush.

Lets put this in perspective: I am anti-Hockey and therefore anti-Alberta because I can't stand Calgary. I feel we should pull all companies out of Calgary.

There is no logic with equating the first reason to the next, yet we have people inthis forum doingjust that.


So pulling out of Afghanistan wil do what. What are the consequences???

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by HOZ

I will bash you because I think you posts are void of intelligence or fact.

And which posts are those?

I am more than willing to accept contrary arguments that actually are part of this reality. There certainly have been very good posts to the opposition to the war in Iraq. But now the US is not at war. They are OCCUPYING Iraq.

They are still at war with the insurgents. Bush considers the insurgents terrorists and is waging the War on Terror. Therefore he is at war with the insurgents.

Those all for withdrawal....the consequenses will be??????

Clearly you've not looked into my posts. I've said that the US clearly can't withdraw now. The country is not stable enough.

Most, not all, anti-war people are anti-Iraq, therefore by idiotic default, anti-Afghanistan (Liberals got us in there) because they are anti-Bush.

Lets put this in perspective: I am anti-Hockey and therefore anti-Alberta because I can't stand Calgary. I feel we should pull all companies out of Calgary.

There is no logic with equating the first reason to the next, yet we have people inthis forum doingjust that.


So pulling out of Afghanistan wil do what. What are the consequences???

What an absurd statement. I'm anti-Bush and anti-Iraq but I'm pro-Afghanistan. There are many others on this board who are saying the same thing. Your post is void of intelligence and fact.

[pope04]

Lots of flatulent polemic in this thread. My thoughts are with Capt. Goddard's family during this dreadful time.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And which posts are those?



They are still at war with the insurgents. Bush considers the insurgents terrorists and is waging the War on Terror. Therefore he is at war with the insurgents.



Clearly you've not looked into my posts. I've said that the US clearly can't withdraw now. The country is not stable enough.



What an absurd statement. I'm anti-Bush and anti-Iraq but I'm pro-Afghanistan. There are many others on this board who are saying the same thing. Your post is void of intelligence and fact.

Again you respond as though every part of most post was to you and you alone!

Can you not differentiate?

I responded to you yet was talking about the forum as a whole. There are MANY simply Anti-anything here.

So you are anti-Iraq what? Period? Or just intervention?

Intervention we can agree on.... Probably Bush too.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Her along with every other member of our armed forces and their families deserve our support regardless if you agree if we should be there or nor. They are jsut doing their jobs.