New dress code law in Iran

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by rubecube

But Iraq was so much more of a threat than these guys that they demanded top priority.

The funny thing about Iraq is, alot of the people who were "liberated" by the Americans and who were persecuted by Saddam Hussein, want a similar form of government in Iraq.

It's also quite likely that the moment the U.S. leaves, Iran will once again start to try and help those guys win. (Just like they did prior to the Iraq/Iran War).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Iranians are Persians.

Not according to the Persians I know. The terms are political though, and not ethnic.

[White Doors]

really? Iran is really Persia. Iranians do not consider themselves to be Arabs at all. To them it is an ethnic difference.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by greasesuck

Back in the day before the ayatollah took power.

A bit more to it than that. The Shah at the time had brought in economic reforms that made a few people very rich but didn't help the populace. His security/intelligence service was also feared and that didn't help his popularity. (that's a coles notes version)

So while there were a number of economic reforms, the money never seemed to 'trickle down' to the general public. The Shah was ousted, and theoracy has been the rule ever since.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Looger

i advocate not helping the mullahs. they're... a little crazy.

And the best course of action would be......

Seriously, I have no problem when one states their opinion, but at least back it up.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

What is really the big difference between this and France not allowing any cultural apparell? not much IMO.

Didn't Iran also mention something about having non-Muslim groups wearing distinct clothes?

If we look through history and see where that has happened before, then we'll have an idea of why this is a problem.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

What is really the big difference between this and France not allowing any cultural apparell? not much IMO.

Not much? First of all, France's was only for school.

Secondly. it's intent is to remove religious distinction, not to promote it.

If you can't see the difference it's only because you don't want to.

[greasesuck]

Originally Posted by fotze

Remember that shirt

hahaha I got to find one of those

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by White Doors

really? Iran is really Persia. Iranians do not consider themselves to be Arabs at all. To them it is an ethnic difference.

I never said they were Arabs.

Most Iranians are Persian. Some are Kurd, Tajik, Pashtun, Assyrian, Turkmen, and there is an Arab and Jewish minority.

The term "Iranian" is much like the term "Yugoslavian". It's term that is more of a politcal statement. People from Iran (mostly Persians) refer to themselves as "Iranians" if they support the current politcal structure of the country. They refer to themselves as Persian (or whatever there ethnicity is) if they do not support it.

[Resolute 14]

One thing that facinated me about the response is how the Canaidian media is treating differing religions in this story.

The National Post's headlines basically went like this:

Iran to force Jews to wear badges!

(Oh yeah, Christians too)

It fascinates me, because it seems that discrimination against Christians is not enough to offend anyone in Canada, so the media focusses on one minority group affected rather than them all.

[Canada 02]

The Globe & Mail's take on the National Post's story:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...andHealth/home

The National Post, quoting “Iranian expatriates living in Canada,” said the law would require “Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews...to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.”
In Tehran, legislator Emad Afroogh, who sponsored the bill and chairs the parliament's cultural committee, said Friday there was no truth to the Canadian newspaper report.
“It's a sheer lie. The rumours about this are worthless,” he said.
Mr. Afroogh said the bill seeks only to make women dress more conservatively and avoid Western fashions.
“The bill is not related to minorities. It is only about clothing,” he said. “Please tell them (in the West) to check the details of the bill. There is no mention of religious minorities and their clothing in the bill,” he said.
Iranian Jewish lawmaker Morris Motamed said: “Such a plan has never been proposed or discussed in Parliament. Such news, which appeared abroad, is an insult to religious minorities here.”
At Iran's mission to the United Nations, a diplomat, speaking anonymously because he was not allowed to make official statements, called the report “completely false.”
“We reject that. It is not true. The minorities in Iran are completely free and are represented in the Iranian parliament,” the diplomat said.

Funny that many here simply accepted the National post story at face value, when, after reading it for the first time you had to notice several statments in quotation marks that are not attributed to anyone, but gives you the impression that the author was quoting someone with authority on the subject. Then at the end they reveal with whom the author is affilated : "Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates"
A quick Google search gives you an idea of what Benador Associates is all about:
"a hard-line think tank whose members have urged for wider U.S. intervention in the Middle East. Benador's list of experts reads like a who's who of heavy hitters in the neoconservative advocacy world."

[Vulcan]

In light of Canada02's post, this sounds like more pounding of the war drums.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

In light of Canada02's post, this sounds like more pounding of the war drums.

I agree. And to be honest, that is what I was kind of thinking when I first saw this.

I really can't stand the Nat. Post. It is the most sensationalistic newspaper in Canada.

[Canada 02]

Amir Tahiri, it seems, has been pounding the war drum for some time
This is the same Amir Taheri who wrote "The Real Iraq", discussed in this thread:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=25843

For more of his insight checkout this site:
http://www.benadorassociates.com/taheri.php

[Reggie Dunlop]

Everyone should just wear a piece of poo around their neck.

[Cowperson]

The National Post earlier today (Friday) posted this lengthy story on the objections presented by the Iranian embassy and others, basically the same information in the Globe & Mail story:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...e-bb91af82abb3

The Jerusalem Post tomorrow (Saturday), attributes the dress code report to the National Post and gives reaction from Israeli officials:


Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter responded to the new law Friday night, saying, "Whoever makes Jews anywhere wear the yellow star again, will find themselves in a coffin draped in black."

Ophir Paz-Pines, minister-without-portfolio responsible for culture, sports, science and technology, who is also a member of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in the Knesset, called on the government's secretary to ensure the issue be immediately addressed during the next Cabinet meeting.

"The State of Israel was created after the Holocaust in order to ensure it would not be repeated. The yellow star is a bright red warning sign that obligates us to muster the entire world in the face of events there [Iran]."

Paz-Pines also called on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to make the issue his top priority when he visits Washington D.C. next week to meet US President George W. Bush.
Meretz Chairman Yossi Beilin said, "Israel could no longer be satisfied with warnings, and that the moment Jews are forced to wear the yellow band, Israel must act to evacuate all Jews from Iran." He added that, "Israel must stand at the forefront of efforts to separate Iran's crazy and Hitlerite regime from government control."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Cowperson

[Looger]

***THIS JUST IN***

iran is run by psycho religious nuts.

sincerely,

1979.

seriously folks, this is nothing that new, according to some, it's been on the books for two years:

http://www.rawstory.com/showoutartic...%3Fnews%3D2512

Political commentator and 940 Montreal host Beryl Waysman says the report is true, that the law was passed two years ago.

the only thing that's changed... is that our media is actually listening to these nutjobs. they've been frothing at the mouth for 27 years, suddenly it's on some agendas. like lemmings we line up for the 'news'.

gold.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Looger

***THIS JUST IN***

iran is run by psycho religious nuts.

sincerely,

1979.

seriously folks, this is nothing that new, according to some, it's been on the books for two years:

.

No, it hasn't been on the books for two years.

A draft law being considered by Iran's parliament encourages the wearing of Islamic clothing to protect the country's Muslim identity, according to a copy of the bill obtained by The Associated Press on Saturday.

The 13-article bill, which received preliminary approval a week ago, does not mention requiring special attire for religious minorities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052000467.html

Cowperson

[Canada 02]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052000467.html

From the article:

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said any such measure would be "despicable" and carry "clear echoes of Germany under Hitler" _ referring to the yellow Star of David that Jews were forced to wear during the Holocaust.

He would not comment further, saying he did not "have all the facts" on the bill.

Go in for the killer blow, then appear to take the high road. Nice hit and run!

[White Doors]

nm