Oilers a model franchise

[amazing_oilers]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Sep 21 2004, 02:39 AM
I'm sure Oil Fans are happy when the team can't keep players like Hamrlik, Arnott, Guerin, Weight, Marchant all because of money.

Good Job Moreau, when you start to get good and it comes up to contract time I guess we'll see you on the way out, because the oil are a model franchise...

Actually Moreau had a solid season last year, and signed for four years.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by amazing_oilers+Sep 21 2004, 02:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (amazing_oilers @ Sep 21 2004, 02:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaramonLS@Sep 21 2004, 02:39 AM
I'm sure Oil Fans are happy when the team can't keep players like Hamrlik, Arnott, Guerin, Weight, Marchant all because of money.

Good Job Moreau, when you start to get good and it comes up to contract time I guess we'll see you on the way out, because the oil are a model franchise...

Actually Moreau had a solid season last year, and signed for four years. [/b][/quote]
Well I guess we have different definitions of greatness.

I don't consider Moreau's seasons to be even close to anything that the other players I named put up.

[amazing_oilers]

Originally posted by CaramonLS+Sep 21 2004, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CaramonLS @ Sep 21 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Actually Moreau had a solid season last year, and signed for four years.

Well I guess we have different definitions of greatness.

I don't consider Moreau's seasons to be even close to anything that the other players I named put up. [/b][/quote]
Sorry, you threw me off when you included Marchant in your post.

[looooob]

Originally posted by amazing_oilers+Sep 20 2004, 08:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (amazing_oilers @ Sep 20 2004, 08:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Did everything they were supposed to do?

Weren't they supposed to try drafting future NHL players instead of future ECHL journeymen?

The Oilers futility under the most recently expired CBA can be explained by their inability to draft worth a damn. Maybe if they hired a head scout that didn't live in Mexico they could have been a model franchise instead of one that just covered up their incompetence with excuses about the CBA.

I don't think the Oilers are that bad at drafting. Here's some of the notables since 1992 that were kept, panned out later on, or were dealt for other current Oilers. Some I didn't include like Bonsignore and Kelly didn't work out but were traded for assets like Hamrlik who was traded for Brewer. So even some of the bad ones, turned out good.

Kirk Maltby
Jason Arnott
Martin Rucinsky
Tyler Wright
David Vyborny
Miroslav Satan
Ryan Smyth
Georges Laraque
Boyd Devereaux
Tom Poti
Fernando Pisani
Jason Chimera
Shawn Horcoff
Jani Rita
Alexei Semenov
Mike Comrie
Tony Salmelainen
Ales Hemsky
Doug Lynch
Jussi Markkanen
Jeff Deslauriers
Jarett Stoll

Anyone want to compare that to the Flames? [/b][/quote]
I believe the person pointing out the Oilers subpar drafting is a Sens fan not a Flames fan

I don't think you'll get anyone from around here to admit the Flames have been stellar drafters through the 90s, which isn't really the point...neither Alberta team has done that well ...the last half of your list is still mostly guys considered 'prospects' at this point (which isn't the Oilers fault, just a statement on number of impact players drafted)

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by amazing_oilers@Sep 20 2004, 08:33 PM
Kirk Maltby
Jason Arnott
Martin Rucinsky
Tyler Wright
David Vyborny
Miroslav Satan
Ryan Smyth
Georges Laraque
Boyd Devereaux
Tom Poti
Fernando Pisani
Jason Chimera
Shawn Horcoff
Jani Rita
Alexei Semenov
Mike Comrie
Tony Salmelainen
Ales Hemsky
Doug Lynch
Jussi Markkanen
Jeff Deslauriers
Jarett Stoll

Anyone want to compare that to the Flames?

Flag on the play, you said 1992 on. As we all know Martin Rucinsky and Tyler Wright were both drafted in 1991. So your list drops by two players.
Since you are adding fringe NHL'ers and guys who are still considered prospects I will do the same. I will also include players who played just this last season as well.

1992 -
Cory Stillman
Joel Bouchard
Jonas Hoglund
Jamie Allison
German Titov
Chris Dingman
Chris Clark
Nils Ekman
Denis Gauthier
Clarke Wilm
Derek Morris
Steve Begin
Tony Lydman
Ronald Petrovicky
Rico Fata
Blair Betts
Dany Sabourin
Oleg Saprykin
Craig Anderson
Jarret Stoll
Chuck Kobasew
Matthew Lombardi

Then since you added prospects like Rita and Deslauriers I will do the same
Eric Nystrom, Dion Phaneuf, Tim Ramholt

So what did I discover? Besides a few good players scattered about both lists don't inspire much inpsiration. And if the only bragging right you have is that the Oilers have drafted better then the Flames in the 90's... well, that is lame. Everyone here will admit freely how bad our drafting was, and how mess up's at the draft table was a big reason we couldn't turn it around.

[looooob]

mmf...You forgot Robert Svehla

[oilboy2]

Originally posted by BlackRedGold25@Sep 21 2004, 02:27 AM


Over the past 10 years, who have the Oilers been better then?

Easy answer: Calgary Flames. And no 1 miracle run to the cup doesnt erase 7 years without playoffs. As an oiler fan i just want to see them get into the playoffs. After the cba is settled and if things dont improve then i will start questioning. For a team to make a profit without playoffs is a pretty good feat.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by oilboy2@Sep 21 2004, 08:44 AM
Easy answer: Calgary Flames.

Did you compare the lists with the timeframe your fellow Oiler fan gave?

Both lists freakin suck! If the only thing you cling too is drafting better then the Flames in the 90's.. well you basically need to wake up. The Flames did horrible in the 90's when it came to the draft table, if you are happy with being slightly less horrible, then well... wow.

[demzor]

Oilers list is bad.. but its alot less horrible than the Flames. Not slightly.. A LOT. Looking at that Flames list is painful.

Arnott, Satan, and Smyth are all better than anyone in the Flames pile, imo.


And yes I know we're just comparing poo and dung.. I'm just saying :P

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by demzor@Sep 21 2004, 11:27 AM
Oilers list is bad.. but its alot less horrible than the Flames. Not slightly.. A LOT. Looking at that Flames list is painful.

If you want to cling onto that fact, then go right ahead. The Oilers are still one of the worst drafting team from the 90's, that is a fact. That Flames are too. If you want to hold it up as some sort of trophy that they were slightly better then the Flames... then do so, I will continue to laugh.

[demzor]

Being slightly better than the Flames at anything is not something I'm going to be shouting about from a mountain top...

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by demzor@Sep 21 2004, 11:33 AM
Being slightly better than the Flames at anything is not something I'm going to be shouting about from a mountain top...

Yet, here you are.

[demzor]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Sep 21 2004, 05:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Sep 21 2004, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-demzor@Sep 21 2004, 11:33 AM
Being slightly better than the Flames at anything is not something I'm going to be shouting about from a mountain top...

Yet, here you are. [/b][/quote]
And?

I go to almost all hockey forums. Whats your point?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by demzor@Sep 21 2004, 11:36 AM

And?

I go to almost all hockey forums. Whats your point?

I meant, here you are, in this tread, protecting the Oilers draft record from the 90s to proclaiming it to be better then the Flames.

Just funny, thats all.

[demzor]

Yes.. if you call comparing the Oilers drafting record to dung "protecting" it...

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by oilboy2+Sep 21 2004, 02:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (oilboy2 @ Sep 21 2004, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-BlackRedGold25@Sep 21 2004, 02:27 AM


Over the past 10 years, who have the Oilers been better then?

Easy answer: Calgary Flames. And no 1 miracle run to the cup doesnt erase 7 years without playoffs. As an oiler fan i just want to see them get into the playoffs. After the cba is settled and if things dont improve then i will start questioning. For a team to make a profit without playoffs is a pretty good feat. [/b][/quote]
Well, you obviously missed out that BlackRedGold was referring to draft history, not on ice history, but lets look at the past ten years, shall we?

In the last ten years, from 1994-95 to 2003-04...

Playoff appearances: Edmonton 6, Calgary 3
Playoff Rounds won: Edmonton 2, Calgary 3
Division Titles: Edmonton 0, Calgary 1
Conference Titles: Edmonton 0, Calgary 1

I wonder if three more first round losses equals one division title and one Conference Championship?

Simply put, aside from our "fluke" run, neither team has done squat in the past ten years, and both teams inability to draft worth a damn during that time played far more significant roles in those failures than the CBA did.

Prior to this past season, an Oilers fan and a Flames fan bragging about who's better is a lot like two bums fighting over the moldy crust in a pizza box.

[Iggy=Flames4ever]

I thought this was a flames message board not a stupid oilers one?? go post this on ur own board

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Iggy=Flames4ever@Sep 21 2004, 11:52 AM
I thought this was a flames message board not a stupid oilers one?? go post this on ur own board

With all due respect, shut up. A Flames fan posted this. Here at Calgarypuck we tend to post articles about every team in the leauge if it is noteworthy.

[e-townchamps]

Snakeeye, it is a rivalry right? I'm sure we'd be bragging if the Oilers beat the Flames at a game of chess...that one conferance championship can go along the the Ducks and 'Canes and Capitals...

as for drafting, both teams seem to be on the upward swing and hopefully we'll battling it out for 1st again!

[BigRed]

Originally posted by e-townchamps@Sep 21 2004, 05:59 PM

as for drafting, both teams seem to be on the upward swing and hopefully we'll battling it out for 1st again!

don't know about that ... in all seriousness, i was kind of shocked with the oilers' 1st round picks this year. not that chucko has proven anything, either, but is there anyone in the oilers' system even close to phaneuf?