United 93, opening old wounds and exposing some truth?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Much of that wreckage is NOT from a 757. The majority of the wreckage in those photographs have been identifed as parts from other planes and NOT from a 757.

Oh, and I notice that you didn't even bother to tr and take on the government's "official" story as to the lack of wreckage and damage. How come? To difficult for that 75 IQ of yours to deal with?

How did you put that? Oh yeah, "thanks for playing".

Based on what Lanny? I worked on the 757 program for 5 years and I'm just curious how the parts were deemed not from a 757. Show me where you got that please.

[Patek23]

What I don't get about this movies is what is so heroic about these people? they all knew they were going to die and as Lanny said earlier it's instinct to fight for your life. The only thing they did was unsuccesfully try to save themselves and crash into the ground.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

What I don't get about this movies is what is so heroic about these people? they all knew they were going to die and as Lanny said earlier it's instinct to fight for your life. The only thing they did was unsuccesfully try to save themselves and crash into the ground.

Well maybe it has something to do with the fact that they knew about what happened earlier in the day regarding the WTC's, and didn't want their plane to be given the same fate.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

What I don't get about this movies is what is so heroic about these people? they all knew they were going to die and as Lanny said earlier it's instinct to fight for your life. The only thing they did was unsuccesfully try to save themselves and crash into the ground.

They caused the hijackers to fail to kill more people than just them. That's worth something.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Sorry but there is a lot more information going into this movie tha just the busted up Blackbox.

This is recordings not only from the Black box, but from cell phone conversations with family member, on board phones, and transmissions from the cockpit while the flight was in the air.

They, the HEROES, stormed the **** pit and the ****s that Rouge and Lanny love downed the plane before they could kill anyone else.

They were the first to fight back. I don't think Hollywood could fathom the courage, and I am sure Lanny can't either, that it took a bunch of nobodies (fags, straights, catholics, atheists, asians, protestants, africans, students, overweight whatevers, Jews, and whoever else) to storm that **** pit. Theyknew they were going to DIE. They stood tall and fought! GO US GO!

This is just another LANNY "I hate the US" BS post showing that he is the biggest loser around. Everyone of them is worth a million Lanny's.

Lets start a new theory or Lanny.....DFF is too nice because...he is lulling Lanny into believing Jews haven't taken over the White House.


Sorry DFF....but you are being too nice to Lanny. The guy is an idiot. Charlie Sheen idiotic. The guys has long passed the loser threshold here. When Cowperson exposed his butt should have been a red light for you.

I actually had to "LOL" when I read this one.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

What I don't get about this movies is what is so heroic about these people? they all knew they were going to die and as Lanny said earlier it's instinct to fight for your life. The only thing they did was unsuccesfully try to save themselves and crash into the ground.

I guess I see it a different way. It's one thing to say you know you are going to die. But most people can't grasp that. To go from working on your Powerpoint presentation to being told you will die; that is a leap of understanding.

What they did was do something that would most likely result in their own deaths. They choose to kill themselves to save others.

Now, from the different documentaries I've seen one of the stewadresses' husband was a pilot, and he believed he could have talked them down; so the primary goal was to try and re-take the plane. But that same husband also told his wife how to crash the plane. (Not that crashing it was hard, but gave some pointers as well.)

I suppose there's different ways of looking at it.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

The thing I do not understand about the "missile hit the Pentagon" conspiracy theory is why bother?

Terrorists already had planes, so there is no reason for them to hit the Pentagon with a missile rather than a plane.

The US government had no reason to attack their own installation. There was nothing to be gained by that, as whatever "ammunition" the US government needed to go after the Taliban, to go after Hussein, to do whatever they wanted they gained when the WTC was hit.

As is typical with virtually every conspiracy theory ever concieved, the "why" simply does not mesh with the "what" and "how".

What is the motive here?

Good question Snake eye. The whole idea was to give the impression that the United States was under attack, and that the whole system (financial, military and governmental) was being attacked by an outside element. The attack on the WTC was supposedly a strike at the financial core. The strike at the Pentagon was supposed to be a strike at the military core. The last plane was supposed to be a strike at the governmental. That was the foundation of the attacks.

Here's a few more "why" questions that mesh with the "what and how" you so eloquently bring up.

* Why was the Pentagon attacked where it was? The Pentagon had been under-going renovations in that wing for months. A highly organized attack like this would have known this and would have selected a more appropriate area for attack. It was well known that the "brains" in the Pentagon were on the other side of the building. Attacking this area made no sense.

* Why would the terrorists decide to attack this side when it took an incredibly difficult maneuver to get the plane to hit this side in the manner it did? The easiest attack angle would have been straight on and would have generated the most damage in the place where the most important targets were residing.

* Why attack the Pentagon at all? The Pentagon has five missile defense batteries in case of attacks to Washington. These defense batteries, and many more like them around Washington, account for the extremely narrow traffic corridor for commercial flights. Amazingly these defense systems all failed on this day, long after the WTC was struck. Why?

* If creating death and destruction were the reason behind the attacks, why would the hijackers just not fly the planes into a nuclear reactor? The planes all flew close to reactors (the second plane flew directly over a reactor on the way to New York IIRC) so why not just crash the planes into these reactors and kill hundreds of thousands and make the north east uninhabitable for a few thousand years?

Lots of unexplained questions all around. That's what makes this subject so interesting and so controversial. People refuse to think that the government would dare allow or conspire to let these events unfold, but they readily accept that a group of 19 hijackers who were barely capable of flying cessnas were capable of pulling off this devious plan. Coming up with the plan is one thing, but execution is another.

[Kool Keef]

Wow. You're just too far gone to help.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Kool Keef

Fantastic. An anonymous post. This just screams credibility.

What evidence do you provide that proves you didn't write this crap? I see none.

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Things the public will never know about UAL93
by best4wrd (movies profile) Apr 28, 2006
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As an Air Traffic Controller working at ClevelandCenter that morning, I'd like to add a few things that the general public will never know about UAL93.

No, I was not the controller working the flight. I was working the airspace to the west of that sector at Flight Levels 310 to FL370 (31,000 ft to 37,000 ft). At the time of United 93 checking in with the Lorain Sector, I was busy setting up a holding pattern for 3 flights I was working to NY, 2 flights to Newark and 1 flight to La Guardia. We had already learned about the WorldTradeCenter at the time, and actually, New YorkCenter was no longer accepting traffic, hence my holding pattern.

Once United 93's fate was made aware of, everyone in the center had "Quick Looked" or was watching that flight. Unbeknownst to the hi-jackers, it is possible to track a flight once the transponder is turned off.

In any case, here is my point of this post. First off, it is quite impossible to actually know what went on inside that aircraft. While I am sure that many heroic actions were about to take place, how do we actually know what happened. This is simply another Hollywood sensationalism of a known event. Everything associated with the ATC aspect of this movie was fabricated.

Here is my final point of this post. Here is something that the US Government, expecially this administration, will NEVER EVER let you know about. We air traffic controllers know for a fact that 2 fully loaded F16's were scrambled from the Youngstown Ohio Air National Guard base. These 2 F16's were within striking range when UAL93 came down. We also know that wreckage was found more than a mile away from the main crash site.

I am not making any claims here, but many of us know this fact. The general public does not and may never know this info. Make your own conclusions.

While it does make for a great heroic story, did it really happen the way the Gov't says it did?


I thought it was very interesting and repeated much of what was said in the days that followed when this subject was discussed here. But why discuss things like this when we can discuss more important things? Come on, let's start another intellectually stimulating thread like "Can't stop talking about (insert favorite Flame here)".

[FlamesAddiction]

I question the United 93 scenerio, and the idea that the passengers tried to rise up against the hijackers.

I'm not saying that it isn't possible, but it is the kind of heroic fable that governments throughout history have created in times of crisis in order to rally people.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Still waiting for the answer to my question Lanny, but until then....are you telling me the US Government had people willing to fly planes into the WTC to pull this thing off since the inept Cessna pilots were incapable?

[if.away]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

* If creating death and destruction were the reason behind the attacks, why would the hijackers just not fly the planes into a nuclear reactor? The planes all flew close to reactors (the second plane flew directly over a reactor on the way to New York IIRC) so why not just crash the planes into these reactors and kill hundreds of thousands and make the north east uninhabitable for a few thousand years?

The attacks had strategic purposes first and foremost, rather than just death and destruction which can be easily achieved. If you go for mass casualties why not hijack on a Sunday and fly the planes into sold-out football stadiums? I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that they considered hitting nuclear facilities also. However that serves no purpose to their goals. That is a weak tactic, not a strategic move. I suppose the trade center was for visibility and to make a statement given what it along with the White House and Pentagon represent and stand for.
They also seem to have a deep obsession with the WTC as they've tried before and failed to bring it down.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Based on what Lanny? I worked on the 757 program for 5 years and I'm just curious how the parts were deemed not from a 757. Show me where you got that please.

Multiple sources. The 9/11 Commission Report Omissions and Distortions, Crossing the Rubicon, The 5 Unanswered Questions About 9/11 and Cover-up are all books published and fact-checked independently by the publishers. The parts are identified as being from other planes and from even different manufacturers than Boeing.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Multiple sources. The 9/11 Commission Report Omissions and Distortions, Crossing the Rubicon, The 5 Unanswered Questions About 9/11 and Cover-up are all books published and fact-checked independently by the publishers. The parts are identified as being from other planes and from even different manufacturers than Boeing.

Based on what though? What is the basis of the identifications? Did the books just say these aren't 757 parts? Did they give part id #'s? Who id'd the parts and what are their qualifications? How did the non 757 parts get on site for picture taking?

I'm not going to go buy the books so if you can't tell me I'll just drop it.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Still waiting for the answer to my question Lanny, but until then....are you telling me the US Government had people willing to fly planes into the WTC to pull this thing off since the inept Cessna pilots were incapable?

Don't need them. The US military has been flying unmanned aircraft since the 70's and have used them extensively in military operations since the 90's. I just finished reading a book on Desert Storm and all that was that war, and the military was using unmanned planes extensively during action there. It was regular operating procedure to fly an unmanned plane in prior to attacks to draw fire from Iraqi SAM and 3A sites and allow the attack aircraft to fly through with less resistance. Those aircraft were flown remotely from McDill airforce base in Tampa. Not a bad trick. Have a plane take off from Saudi Arabia, act as a decoy, and land back in Saudi Arabia, all controlled by a guy 8,000 miles away in a different country. Pilots were not a requirement if the US Government took an active role in this. I am not saying they did btw. I still think they knew the attack was coming and did nothing about it. The Pentagon attack still doesn't fit to me though. I think they may have taken advantage of a situation and fabricated something there to create a bigger mess and generate a greater sense of outrage and resolve in the American people. I think they took advantage of a situation to execute a plan they had cooked up long before they were in office.

[NuclearFart]

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
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Herbalaire

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Based on what though? What is the basis of the identifications? Did the books just say these aren't 757 parts? Did they give part id #'s? Who id'd the parts and what are their qualifications? How did the non 757 parts get on site for picture taking?

I'm not going to go buy the books so if you can't tell me I'll just drop it.

No, those are fair questions Dis, and I'll provide you the answers you're looking for. I'll have to list the resources the books used, but that's just going to take some time. I've got a tee time in a couple of hours so I can't do much now. I'll make sure you get what you are looking for though. Fair enough?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

No, those are fair questions Dis, and I'll provide you the answers you're looking for. I'll have to list the resources the books used, but that's just going to take some time. I've got a tee time in a couple of hours so I can't do much now. I'll make sure you get what you are looking for though. Fair enough?

Very, except for the tee time part. Prick!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

Yes, Occam's Razor is a good rule to bring up. Which is the simplist explanation? Poor, uneducated, rubes that could not fly cessnas were able to pentrate multiple levels of national security and then commandeer multi-engine commercial airliners and fly them into buildings and ground structures, one of which included some flying that the best pilots in the world could not pull off (the hitting of the Pentagon)

or

something else?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Very, except for the tee time part. Prick!

Yeah, well I'll smack one into the desert for you!