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Old 04-28-2006, 09:59 PM   #21
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How many threads a week do we need here where the same topics come up and the usual suspects take their shots at Christianity?
I'm not taking a shot at Christianity or Catholicsm. Only the hierarchies of them.
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Old 04-28-2006, 10:05 PM   #22
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I am in no way anywhere close to being Catholic.

And I find that statement both offensive and absurd.

You wouldn't know "class" if it came up and kicked you in the cajones.
I'm not sure about what he means by the "promote hate" bit, but the AIDS thing and protecting child molesters is pretty obvious, ain't it?
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Old 04-28-2006, 10:07 PM   #23
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I'm not sure about what he means by the "promote hate" bit, but the AIDS thing and protecting child molesters is pretty obvious, ain't it?
By promoting hate, I meant the history of promoting the hate/discrmination of Gays, Jews, etc.
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Old 04-28-2006, 10:53 PM   #24
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What's funny to me about all of this is the Vatican's active boycott of the movie. More people are likely to see the movie simply because of the controversy.
I don't think there are many people reading the novel and thinking that this all true. It's a good "fictional" story and nothing more.
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What's funny to me about all of this is the Vatican's active boycott of the movie. More people are likely to see the movie simply because of the controversy.
I don't think there are many people reading the novel and thinking that this all true. It's a good "fictional" story and nothing more.
Ha. That is true. I work with a Catholic woman who says that she will go see it for sure now!

But unfortunately, I do think a lot of people take the book at it's word when it states fiction as fact to support the conspiracy theories in the story. Apparently some of the towns mentioned in the book are overun by tourists now.
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Old 04-29-2006, 01:10 AM   #26
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I know nothing about this movie or book, except that it has something to do with some piece of Art, and I think Christians. I know that the book was a best seller and that Tom Hanks is in it, and the imaginaery guy from "Beautiful Mind" plays some role as well. I'll probably download it, and half watch it while I read some game forums at the same time.
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Old 04-29-2006, 01:23 AM   #27
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Ha. That is true. I work with a Catholic woman who says that she will go see it for sure now!

But unfortunately, I do think a lot of people take the book at it's word when it states fiction as fact to support the conspiracy theories in the story. Apparently some of the towns mentioned in the book are overun by tourists now.
Things like that are to be expected. The story of the Holy Grail has been a favorite story for centuries. This is simply a new take on that story.

What the Da Vinci Code does is mix in a lot correct information with dramatized information, therefore creating a false sense of reality within the story. The Vatican's attempts to boycott the movie only makes people think that the Catholic Church actually has something to hide.

You never know, they might actually have something to hide which is why they don't want people to see this movie...this is a real stretch though, they're probably just afraid to loose followers.
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Old 04-29-2006, 02:58 AM   #28
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Book was awesome, being wiccan I knew about a lot of those insights about the star and 'phi' sacred geometry before, it's really an interesting subject. Sometimes I htink Wicca got blackballed early on because it's a very scientific religion, even though it is much more ancient. I mean discounting the myths and stories (which no real pagan I know believes, just uses as inspiration and morals, like the Christians should with there) there is a resounding amount of scientific and mathematical truth in many of the beliefs. (And we're nt talking Christian Science Monitor type proof here, lol)

As far as the main premise of the book, it was fun to read about an alternate theory. I was raised Catholic Christian. BREATHED it. I don't know if I believe the theory, but it makes as much sense as a lot of the other stuff coming out of the Bible. The important thing to remember is that even if all this innuendo and stuff about DaVinci is true, you still have to remember, it was JUST his take. He existed over 1000 years after Christ. Would he know better than us?

Still a fascinating book, and very informative (on some points) and thought provoking on others.

I won't see the movie though. Ugh, Tom Hanks. And I don't see it being as good as the book.

Don't think I'll go see the movie
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Tom Hanks is a pretty good actor but in everyone of his movies he reaches a point where he tries to play with the audiences emotions. I resent people trying to manipulate me unless they are real pretty.
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No way am I going to show class towards an establishment that attempts to promote hate, could easily help to not promote the spread of AIDS, and protects child molestors. If you don't like it, find your ignore button.
Bang on Rubecue!

I plan on seeing this film just to spite Cheese.
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No way am I going to show class towards an establishment that attempts to promote hate, could easily help to not promote the spread of AIDS, and protects child molestors. If you don't like it, find your ignore button.
Because promoting abstinence promotes the spread of AIDS? WTF?
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I plan on seeing this film just to spite Cheese.
Actually I would think Cheese wouldn't give a rats ass about whether you saw the film or not. If you want to spite Cheese start an electrical engineer exclusion league!!!

Reading the book right now, and it's a good story that presents a different view than what I've heard thus far. Probably will go see the movie just to compare it to the book.
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Because promoting abstinence promotes the spread of AIDS? WTF?
By not advocating the use of condoms.
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By not advocating the use of condoms.
Yeah thats the clincher there. Rather than ignoring the fact that alot of people are going to have pre-marital sex, maybe it is time to accept it and promote the use of condoms.
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Yeah thats the clincher there. Rather than ignoring the fact that alot of people are going to have pre-marital sex, maybe it is time to accept it and promote the use of condoms.
That's not just Catholics though. That is a lot of Christian sects, and even non-Christians do not support condom use.

It's definitely a problem, but not one that should be piled onto soley the Catholic Church. Catholics at least preach forgiveness and redemption, which means people who use condoms despite it being frowned upon, can still be forgiven. So really, it's a personal choice.

At least they are not the ones blowing up abortion clinics.
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Yeah thats the clincher there. Rather than ignoring the fact that alot of people are going to have pre-marital sex, maybe it is time to accept it and promote the use of condoms.
That would be admitting that the world is changing and that people need to adapt. Something similar to this evolution myth that Science has tried to sell for years!
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Yeah, of course its not just limited to catholics. But if what someone said is true, with an outreach of ~1 billion people you have influence over a sixth of the world. And forgiving someone after using condoms is a far cry from promoting condom use.
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Yeah, of course its not just limited to catholics. But if what someone said is true, with an outreach of ~1 billion people you have influence over a sixth of the world. And forgiving someone after using condoms is a far cry from promoting condom use.
And yet if you go to a predominantly Catholic country like Spain or Brazil, condom use is very open and common.

If the Catholic Church had as much power over people as some think, then we would also see a lot less high-risk behaviour. Instead, we see people picking and choosing what aspects to follow. If they chose to follow the abstenance and monogamy rules, as well as the condom rules, then there wouldn't be nearly as big of an HIV problem in some countries.

The issue is one of personal accountabilty and culture. People can't go around banging everyone or use illegal drugs, but then claim it is against there religon to use condoms.

If people are not actually practicing Catholicism and/or engaging in practices that are "unCatholic" (ie. premarital sex, sex with multiple partners, illegal IV drug use, other high risk HIV activities), how can anyone blame the Catholic Church if these same people do not use condoms? As a loose comparison, it is like those people who constantly break the law, and then blame the police when they are put in jail.

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Because promoting abstinence promotes the spread of AIDS? WTF?
Are you serious or do you just have an itch to always find an argument with me?

Many African countries are heavily influenced by the Catholic Church and therefore abortion and contraception are viewed as taboo down there. Yet these people, like any other, have human urges. When 1/3 of a continent has AIDS and you have as much influence as the Catholic Church does would you still tell them that condoms are unacceptable? Abstinence is unrealistic in this situation and condemning safe sex is harmful.
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Are you serious or do you just have an itch to always find an argument with me?

Many African countries are heavily influenced by the Catholic Church and therefore abortion and contraception are viewed as taboo down there. Yet these people, like any other, have human urges. When 1/3 of a continent has AIDS and you have as much influence as the Catholic Church does would you still tell them that condoms are unacceptable? Abstinence is unrealistic in this situation and condemning safe sex is harmful.
Abstinence is the only way to ensure with 100% accuracy that you will not get pregnant or AIDS. When there are how many millions of people living in Africa and condoms only have a 97% accuracy rating, yes, I think choosing abstinance is the best way to go. Unfortunately a lot of people can't keep their pants done up.

When there's a 1/3 chance the person you're about to sleep with has AIDS, and only a 97% chance your condom (if you even know how to use it, and don't expect the Chuch to teach people how to use the damn things,) will work, I'd say the odds are heavily not in your favour and you should just keep your pants on. Apparently I just have more restraint than some.
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